Рекао сам ти већ да ћу да ти пружим прилику да оствариш своју жељу да будеш пред камерама и да покажеш своје (не)знање.
Човеку попут тебе,треба дати прилику да схвати колико не зна,ако будеш могао да схватиш шта то значи.

'El procitao neko knjigu "komitet 300 - hijerarhija zavernika" Dzona Kolmana??? Mnogo interesantna knjiga toplo preporucujem svima...

http://forum.burek.com/moc-kontrola-moguci-uticaji-kroz-filozofiju-religiju-drustvo-t394698.html
 

"BOG JE SAMA PRIRODA: Ovo drevno vjerovanje, zvano panteizam, tvrdi da je
STVORENO STVORITELJ. Ovo vjerovanje, kojeg se drţe pripadnici pokreta Novo doba
(New Age Movement) i daleko-istoĉne religije, tvrdi: «Mi smo bogovi, mi smo stvoritelj. Mi
imamo silu unutar svojih umova da stvaramo i kontrolišemo svijet u kojem ţivimo.» Oni to
nazivaju «Hristova svijest» (Christ Consciousness). To za njih znaĉi da u sebi imamo moć da
se spasimo i evoluiramo iz jednog stanja svijesti u drugo. Nazivajući stvoreno stvoriteljem,
oni odriĉu liĉnost i postojanje najvišeg Boga. Odgodićemo odgovor na ovu obmanu za kasnije
u ovoj knjizi, jer konci New Age razmišljanja se šire, i usko su povezani sa nekoliko drugih
obmana koje atakuju na ostale duhovne istine – odricanje od Boga, grijeha, suda, itd.
Svaka obmana ima zajedniĉku nit – miješanje istine i zablude. Svaka se nadograĊuje
na zabludi druge, i podrţava i daje autentiĉnost drugoj. Njihov autor je otac laţi. Zbog ove
zajedniĉke niti, preklapanje predmetne materije je neizbjeţno, ali to ide nama u prilog, jer
biblijske izvjesnosti protiv jedne obmane takoĊe stoje kao dokaz protiv drugih."
Ovo je citat iz knjige : Ima li Boga.

Odakle ti ideja da bi ja mogao da pokazem svoje neznanje, da li bi mogao da citiras jedno moje neznanje iz postova na Bureku ?
Ja apsolutno shvatam koliko ne znam u svakoj prilici, posto je izuzetna verovatnoca da ima jako puno situacija o
kojima ja ne znam.
Covek zna da shvatanje koliko ne zna nema nikakav znacaj, posto sve sto covek ne zna, nema nikakav znacaj.

Не бележим постове,Јеванђелисти ће бити на Земљи,очекујем Вазнесење.

Pa po Bibliji

Satanojlo  vlada ,

Zemlje se Bog odrekao ,

Coveku vecan zivot oduzeo,

I ne mesa se vise.

Svetski poredak je vec tu ali ne u ime Boga

Ako je po Bibliji, da li mozes da kazes gde mozemo citati o Bogu koji nema kontrolu nad "Djavolom", koji nema kontrolu nad ljudima i koji nije stvorio sve sto postoji ?
Gde to u Bibliji pise da ima vise od jednog Kreatora ?
Slazem se da ljudi imaju pravo da veruju u vise od jednog Boga, ali to sigurno nije napisano u Bibliji.
Covek moze samo da se nekom kao sto je Bog zahvali za dobro, i sigurno ne moze da ga optuzi za zlo, posto
optuznica bez postojanja optuzenog nema nikakav smisao.
Ako Bog nije kreirao sve ukljucujuci NSP, ko ga je kreirao ? Ko su ti ljudi koji sacinjavaju NSP, i ko to moze da dokaze ?

Ako je po Bibliji, da li mozes da kazes gde mozemo citati o Bogu koji nema kontrolu nad "Djavolom", koji nema kontrolu nad ljudima i koji nije stvorio sve sto postoji ?


Cekaj bre puno pitanja ,
Sa Hriscanske strane gledista
Recimo da Bog zna Satanojlove namere i Satanojlo je toga takodje svestan, On mozda nije postigao mnogo ali nije glup i zna da do svog cilja moze da dodje samo ako nastavi da radi u sluzbi boga.
Vidis Bog se nikada nije odrekao Satanojla njegove najlepse kreacije ,Sina i svog licnog sekretara ,
Dovoljno je samo Satanojlovo iskreno pokajanje i njemu ce sve odmah da bude oprosteno ,
ali kako neko ko zeli promenu poretka moze da bude iskren prema starom.
To bi bilo laganje samom sebi.
Satan je kao clan nebeskog suda bio i posle posto je rat za vladavinu raja izgubljen
i slobodno sekretao izmedju pakla zemlje i neba.
Pristup Nebu je kasnije izgubio ali on uvek moze kad god zeli da se "vrati" samo ako se pokaje .
Mislim da bi imao drugu perspektivu ako bi procitao Miltonov "Izgubljeni Raj"

Paradise Lost is an epic poem in blank verse by the 17th-century English poet John Milton. It was originally published in 1667 in ten books. A second edition followed in 1674, redivided into twelve books (in the manner of the division of Virgil's Aeneid) with minor revisions throughout and a note on the versification. The poem concerns the Judeo-Christian story of the Fall of Man; the temptation of Adam and Eve by the fallen angel Satan and their expulsion from the Garden of Eden. Milton's purpose, stated in Book I, is to "justify the ways of God to men"[1] and elucidate the conflict between God's eternal foresight and free will.


A Theology of Satan Pt II
 
The Satan

"Satan" is the Greek and English transliteration for the Hebrew root stn, meaning, "to be an adversary, to resist." In the books of Job and Zechariah, the adversary is addressed with the definite article, hasatan. He is THE adversary. And he is THE adversary throughout the Scriptures, standing in oppossition to God's people, whether that be the nation of Israel (1Ch.21:1), their priestly representatives (e.g., Zech.3:1-2), or the single, righteous man within Israel (e.g., Job 1-2).

In the New Testament, he is the enemy of the church, attacking God's people (e.g., 1 Pe.5:8; Jas.4:7) and opposing the redemptive work of God in and through them (e.g., Mt.13:19, 39). In his adversarial role, however, Satan seems to have a frightening power and some sort of authority over men (e.g., Lk.10:19; cf. Eph.6:12; He.2:14). What is that power, and what is the nature of this authority? In what sense, for example, did he hold the power of death? And did he really possess all the nations, such that he could deliver them over to Jesus, if the Christ would only bow down worship him? Or was he simply speaking in his native tongue when he offered this?

Before we answer these questions, consider again the first two chapters of Job. There he seems to have a place at the 'round table', so to speak, of "the Sons of God" (1:6; 2:1). Is this a legitimate seat in the heavenly council? Or is this calling toether of the "powerful ones" merely an accounting, in which God is asking the angelic powers to give answer for themselves? Either way, hasatan answers by making accusations (true to form), and thereby impugning God's glory and wisdom in creation. Namely, to paraphrase his answer, "I've been all around this world of yours. Yep, around and around." What's he getting at? "There ain't nothing there. No one noteworthy, no one righteous, no one upright or remarkable. It is a spiritual wasteland, a graveyard in the dark." To which God gives this (ominious) answer: "What about my servant, Job?" And, well, you know the rest of the story.

What's going on here? Is this official business of the 'celestial courts', or a bizarre wager in heaven's backroom? Is Satan's role as "the Accuser" to be understood as official prosecutor or plaintiff against mankind? Or his role more unofficial - subversive or 'illegal'? In a word, what is the nature of his authority in accusation and denouncement?

Two things can be stated with absolute certainty from the Job account. One, Satan answers when called by the Almighty. But then, who doesn't? Two, Satan is entirely limited in his powers against the human race by the explicit will of God. Like all power, Satan's is delimited by divine sovereignty.

There is a third element which emerges fairly quickly in this account. It is apparent that Satan's motives are malicious, while God's, though mystifying to us, are ultimately beneficent toward Job. To borrow from Genesis 50:20, what Satan intended for evil, God intended for good. If, in this process of Job's refinement, so to speak, Satan is a key player, he is so unwittingly and unwillingly. His purpose is destruction. And yet, it is precisely in his willingness to destroy Job (and so remove God's 'boast') that he fulfills God's good purposes in Job's misery and final vindication. Of course, this is the mystery and irony of all evil: ultimately, it is worked out, together with all things, for the good of God's people (Rom.8:28). Nowhere is this more pointedly and dramatically seen than at the cross of Christ. Satan's greatest triumph at Golgotha turns out to be the greatest source of good for mankind, and the beginning of his own undoing. This doesn't mean that evil isn't real, or really bad. It is; and God will justly and decisively deal with it, once and for all. What it does mean is that even the greatest rebel plays entirely into God's hands. Resistence to omnipotence is, by definition, futile.

But we still haven't answered the question as to the nature or official/unofficial capacity of Satan's role. He seems to be given entrance into the heavenly courts, and speaks as a member of the council (e.g., 1Ki.22:20-23?). Is he the enemy of God's purposes and people, or his employee? The answer seems to be both.

But he isn't like some double agent from hell, flying under the divine radar. Obviously, God is aware of Satan's schemes. And no doubt, Satan is aware that God is aware of his schemes. So what's the deal? What's he trying to accomplish?

I would suggest that he is seeking to finish what he - by all appearances, triumphantly - started in Eden (where again he was given entrance onto holy ground): bringing God's image-bearers under God's judgment by breaking God's commandments. He is both the tempter, and the accuser. He's like a mean cousin, egging you on to bad behavior, and then tattletaling. So far in the storyline of the Old Testament Satan seems to be quite successful in his plot. All men and women, originally blessed in Genesis 1, have been placed beneath the malediction of Genesis 3, cursed by God, together with the whole of terrestrial creation (cf. Ge.3:16-19; Ro.8:19-23). Now doomed to die under guilt and the righteous, inexorable condemnation of God's law, humanity appears eternally lost. What keeps them alive, keeps them going from generation to generation? God's strange patience and common grace. For there is hope in the midst of judgment in chapter 3 - the promise of a son, who will crush the serpent's head, even while he strikes man's heel. Satan's doom is announced from the onset. So God upholds a dying world, graciously, faithfully, patiently - until the Son of Man comes.

However, God had promised to bless Abraham, and through him, all the nations of the earth. Through Abraham's seed, God would restore man's fallen crown, and renew his ruined empire. Through Israel. Through David. Through the Christ. Through Eve's promised Son. Satan fought this tooth and nail. He still fights it, after his decisive defeat at Calvary. And all the more viciously and vigorously; for, as John put it in his Apocalypse, "he knows his time is short." Satan knows he's lost. But he will take every last one he can down with him. Or at least, this seems to be his tactic.

So we know Satan's murderous intent and scheme. But he can accomplish this only by working for God, that is, as an agent of God's condmenation, cooperating (perversely, to be sure) with God's law to bring sinners under judgment. The sting of death, we are told, is sin. That is, sin is the instrumentation of death. And the power of sin is the law (1Cor.15:56)! It is God's law, in otherwords, which makes sin deadly. "The wages of sin is death." And Satan uses this divine principle of justice against us, enticing us into sin (and, willingly, we follow), and then once ensnared, seals us under guilt for the day of judgment. In this sense, and in this sense only, does Satan hold the power of death.

Kreacija je finalni proizvod, nesto sto ima pocetak i kraj, ne postoji kreacija koja nesto kreira. Zlo/smrt/djavo je
kreacija Boga, a ne nezavisni kreator unistenja.
U Bibliji je kristalno jasno opisan kraj/nestanak i Djavola i Hrista. Djavo je smrt, a smrti po Bibliji u vecnosti nema,
a Hrist je vaskrsenje u vecan zivot, sto ce takodje nestati kada svi budu vecni.

Postavio sam ti jednostavno pitanje o tri situacije i ti nisi odgovorio ni na jednu posto nista u tom tekstu
ne daje stihove koji bi mogli da budu kvalifikovani kao odgovori na moja pitanja.