Tako se ponasas da cim se neko ne slaze s tobom odma ulazis u konflikt.

"Religija je zlo i glupost a ateista koji nije protiv religija i nije pravi ateista".. to su tvoji stavovi. Vrlo provocirajuci i za vjernike i za liberalne ateiste.

Sta ja imam tebi da pokazujem da sam ateista? 

A- odsustvo, teo- grcki naziv za boga  - zam, sufiks koji se dodaje za odredjeni misaoni, filozofski pravac.

Dakle ateizam odredjuje odsustvo vjerovanja u boga. Ateizam ne odredjuje odnos prema religiji, ili vjernicima ili nauci ili clanovima foruma ili muzickom ukusu.
Ateista moze biti rasista, moze da slusa turbo folk. itd..

Tebi je to tolko sokantno ateista moze da shvata koncept hriscanstva, filozofiju hriscanstva i cak dobre strane
hriscanstva.

Btw i ja sam sa 15 godina mislio da iz religije nista dobro nikad nije izaslo, kasnije sam promjenio misljenje..
al opet nisam bio meta zlih, zlih moderatora jer sam kulturno izrazavao svoje stavove.

Nije nazalost tacno. Ateizam u sebi ukljucuje i odnos prema religiji, i prema vernicima i postovanje prema nauci. Clanovi foruma koji su klerofashisti o njema nemam ni jednu pozitivnu rec da kazem.

Zao mi se sto sam imao prilike da jos jednom vidim hriscansku ljubav, kada ste se kao lesinari obrusili na ovu iskrenu i postenu devojku koja samo malo emotivno brani svoje stavove. Umesto da ste je manje provocirali i napisali smirenim tonom sta mislite o tome, ili da ste recimo priznali neke stvari koje su vise nego ocigledne, vi ste joj secirali recenice, vadili iz konteksta reci i da ne nabrajam sad.

Dzentlmenski gest, ravan jednom hriscaninu. Sramota!

Iz religije je izaslo mnogo toga, ali nikako dobro. Evo nekih stvari koje nam je dala religija.

The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans ("They're devil-worshippers!"), the Romans demonizing Christians ("They're atheists and cannibals!").

Vilification of homosexuality, resulting in discrimination, parents disowning their children, murder, and suicide.

People and animals sacrificed as an offering to gods.

Food destroyed because it doesn't comply with specific religious beliefs.

Women treated like second class citizens, or even slaves, based on religious teachings.

Children growing up without music.

Children growing up to hate and fear science and scientists, because science disproves their parents' religion - leading to appalling scientific illiteracy.

Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).

Millions of cats killed in the belief that witches use them as familiars, leaving rats free to spread the black death throughout Europe, killing millions of people in turn.

People bothered and sometimes woken up by door-to-door religion salespeople.

People dying because they believe their faith makes them immune to snake venom, or other lethal aspects of reality.

People dying - and letting their children die - because their religion forbids accepting medical help.

People choked, starved, poisoned, or beaten to death during exorcisms.

Female genital mutilation endorsed by religious texts, mutilation that results in infection, sterility and death.

Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care.

People disowning family members for leaving their religion, in some cases symbolized by mock funerals.

Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.

"Abstinence-only" sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies - often leading to ill-fated "emergency" marriages.

Campaigns against safe sex, with similar results - responsible for much of the AIDS epidemic in Africa.

Religiously-prompted fear of polio vaccine, which halted the global eradication effort and brought polio back to many countries.

Women having septic abortions -- or being forced to have unwanted children they resent -- because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.

Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.

The discouragement of rational, critical thought.

Believers whipping, impaling, poisoning or crucifying themselves during religious festivals as a demonstration of their faith and piety.

Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.

People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.

Environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that God will magically fix everything.

Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands.

People in times of trouble relying on advice from religious leaders without any sort of training in counseling or therapy.

Holy wars - followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.

The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.

Persecution/punishment of blasphemers (Salman Rushdie still has a death sentence on him), and blasphemy laws in general.

Slavery condoned by religous texts.

Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they'll be too frightened to even question religion.

Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn't believe it would result in eternal torture.

School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.

Persecution of Heretics/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.

Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed so churches can generate more revenue.

Your need to pay more personal income taxes because religious organizations are exempt.

Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they're right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.

Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children) - but hey, atheists are the immoral ones.

People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.

Suicide bombers, who are certain they will be rewarded in heaven.

Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court.

Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, "heathen" religions and cultures.

Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality ("why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don't I have enough faith?").

Human achievements - from skillful surgery to to emergency landings - attributed to gods instead of to the people actually responsible.

Mother Teresa, prolonging the agony of terminal patients and denying them pain relief, so she can offer their suffering as a gift to her god.

Suppression of logical and critical thought.

Billions spent to build, maintain, and staff houses of worship.

Grief and horror caused by the belief that dead friends and family members are tortured as punishment for disbelief.

Opposition to scientific (especially medical) progress on religious grounds.

Whole societies divided by minor differences in belief or doctrine, often resulting in violence.

Natural disasters and other tragedies used to claim God is displeased and present demands to avoid similar events (it's like terrorism, but without having to plan or do anything).

The unchecked use of fear and maintenance of ignorance to keep the population "faithful".

The attempted genocide of followers of a particular faith (e.g. the Jewish Holocaust, "ethnic cleansing" in former Yugoslavia).

Vilification of this current life as base and sinful when in fact it is fragile and precious.

Removal of responsibility for the planet and for the future because of apocalyptic beliefs that some divine being will either destroy it all or fix it all.

Vernici mogu da naprave listu dobrih stvari koje je dala religija pa da uporedimo  

O Boze koji sou    Nadam se da razumes sta si ovde kopirala    Uostalom ovo je forum na kom se komunicira na SRPSKOM. 
I dalje mi nije jasno zasto ucestvujes samo na par tema u kojima mozes da vredjas vernike. Uostalom, znas kako kazu...Kad nemas koga, krivi Boga. To je izgleda tvoja deviza 

Odakle ti to vadis svega ti.
 Znam da se cesto tako razmislja. Razumjem tu logiku. Ali sam termin ateizam to ne znaci i ne obavezuje.


Ima ljudi koje znam - ateista koji nisu kapacitet da shvate teoriju evolucije, pa onda i nju odbacuju.
Ili nisu dovoljno upuceni, obrazovani a treba ipak neke inteligencije i apstraktnosti da se shvati tako opsiran i slozen proces sa svim subprocesima - selekcija, genetska varijabilnost i slicno.
I slicno razlicitih ljudi ateista kojima mnoge stvari iz nauke nisu legle iz raznih razloga, ne samo konkretno inteligencije.
Kako onda oni nisu ateisti ljeba ti.

"Lukavo" izbegavate svaku raspravu o religiji. Vase izivljavanje nadamnom je sou. To sto neces da raspravljas o ovome sto sam kopirala jer nije na srpskom ti je jadan izgovor. Uzmi pa prevedi ako ne razumes.

I vi ozbiljno mislite da cu ja posle svih zla koje je religija ucinila da je i dalje postujem? Mora da se salite!

Slagvorte, pre desetak stranica sam rekla da postoje vernici koji veruju u evoluciju. Naravno da postoje i ateisti koji ne veruju u nju.

Ne moras da je postujes, samo iskuliraj... Procitao sam tekst zato i kazem koji sou. To je isto ka da ja, koji navijam za zvezdu, napisem sve najgore za partizan sto naravno ne znaci da je istina. Tako je i u ovom tekstu iznad...Otrcane fraze i prazni argumenti 

Diskriminacija, zabrana slobode govora, ubistva, samoubistva, holokaust, etnicko ciscenje, tretiranje ljudi kao gradjane drugog reda, odricanje roditelja od dece koja su ateisti, progoni, nasilno pokrstavanje, sirenje bolesti, neprihvatanje odgovornosti za ucinjena dela, sirenje straha, smrti ljudi jer nisu hteli da prihvate medicinsku pomoc, paljenje ljudi na lomaci, maltretiranja su sve otrcane fraze. Kako da ne.  Koga lazes?

Upravo ono što ti radiš danima na ovoj temi.


I idem ja tako redom i čitam taj tekstić na engleskom. Pa onda, recimo, dosta ljudi poriče da se, kada su Krstaši branili jedan od gradova (ne mogu da se setim tačno koji, bilo je to posle Prvog krstaškog rata i pokušaja Muslimana da povrate Svetu zemlju), niotkuda pojavilo pojačanje, bez kojeg Krstaši ne bi imali šansi protiv Muslimana. To se smatralo kao dar od Boga, odnosno pomoć.

E, to može da se poriče, naravno, jer ne postoje dokazi.

A kada se u pomenutom tekstu napišu mnoge druge stvari iz tog doba, onda je sve to tačno i potvrđeno. Isto kao i kod onoga ko je ili šta je stvorilo svet.

Sada ću reći jedno moje mišljenje baš na ovu temu. Vera ti daje veliki moral (koji su imali i oni na bojnom polju i koji bez vere ne bi bili ni 30% od onoga što su bili). Neću da govorim da li je pravilo biti ateista ili ne. Jednostavno, svako je svestan kada bira u šta će da veruje. Ali, samo mogu da zamislim koliko ateisti gube time što veruju samo u sebe i svoje postojanje... i kada su recimo sami u problemu... nikome se ne obraćaju, niko ih ne štiti...

Mnogo je lepo biti religiozan i hvala onome ko me je učio o svemu tome.

Sto si precrtao to? Deca stvarno odrastaju mrzeci i plaseci se nauke i naucnika jer nauka ne odobrava religiozne stavove njihovih roditelja-sto dovodi do uzasne naucne nepismenosti. Vecina stvari iz teksta se i dan-danas desava u azijskim i africkim zemljama jer je tamo religija na prvom mestu. Vi sa ovog foruma samo potvrdjujete sve sto pise u tekstu jer jedino sto ste pokazali je da znate da se izivljavate nad manjinama (meni u ovom slucaju).

Sto se tice moralnosti u tekstu je lepo dato objasnjenje "Zloupotreba moci, autoriteta i poverenja od strane verskih lidera (zbog finansijske dobiti, zlostavljanja sledbenika, cak i dece)". Ali vi i dalje mislite da su ateisti ti koji su nemoralni.

Sto se mene tice ti budi i dalje religiozan ako ti je sve to lepo.