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Kako kada mnogi Sviborovi momci uvek plivaju za Časni Krst?


Jov, Jovan, Ian, Jan, Ivan, Žan, Žak i bla bla bla ajmooo u korene imena po geoistorijskim spisima jer je to baš ono o čemu se ovde govori 

Кажем за људе у оклопу, многи мешају групе и тако једни добијају заслуге за рад других..

A iskreno malo je smesno koliko je Ibar kod Kraljeva plitak ,voda do pojasa ,mozes da ga pregazis a oni kao plivaju .

Hteo bih da napravim distinkciju  izmedju krstenja i baptizovanja i ako je to naizgled ista stvar,
Nasi zovu Jovana Krstiteljom ali to je pogresno jer on nije koristio ili imao krst ,
Jovan Baptista ga zovu svi drugi .
Isto tako Hriscanska sekta je dobila ime po Hristu jer on bi trebao da bude prvi hriscanin ,
tako da Jovan baptista nikako to ne moze da bude hriscanin u vreme Isusove inicijacije ,
sto  bi opet znacilo da sam Isus nije mogao postati Hriscanin tim cinom,
vec do toga dolazi samo-inicijacijom .
 Danas Postoji veliki broj hriscanskih crkvi koje uopste ne priznaju Jovana za svetca .

A za to da su sve drzali u porodici to jest da su bili krvno povezani ima dosta dokaza ,
evo nekih ispod ,mrzi me da prevodim .

Cousins John

Most people are aware that Jesus Christ and John the Baptist were actual cousins through their mothers Mary and Elizabeth. Many people are surprised to discover that Jesus had another famous cousin John. Although the proof is not as obvious and direct as with John the Baptist, the Scriptures are just as plain, when you add up the pieces, that Jesus and the apostle John were also cousins.

Cousin John, John the Baptist

 The angel Gabriel stated that Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist, and Mary, the mother of Jesus, were cousins - and therefore Jesus and John were cousins. Whether Mary and Elizabeth were first cousins, or second cousins, or second cousins once removed ("once removed" is merely a genealogical term for a second, third, fourth etc. cousin who is in the generation up from one's own) is a range of possibilities with Mary and Elizabeth since Mary was a teenager and Elizabeth was in her "old age" when they had children (both Jesus' and John's conceptions were miraculous). Whatever way it was, the Holy Scriptures plainly state that Mary and Elizabeth were cousins, and therefore so were their children Jesus and John the Baptist:


"Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?"
"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God nothing shall be impossible." (Luke 1:34-37 KJV)

Cousin John, the apostle John

Jesus Christ and the apostle John as cousins is not as obvious (people who have studied the Bible their entire lives have overlooked it, which is understandable because of how the proof is in pieces , but the proof is there nevertheless, in two parts, each of which themselves are in two parts. Add them together and it becomes very clear.

First, standing among the women near the cross with Jesus' mother Mary was Salome (as identified by the apostle Mark in his Gospel account), who was Mary's sister (as the apostle John himself states in his Gospel account, as it turns out, about his own mother - Mark's Gospel account refers to her by name, John's Gospel account refers to her by her relationship to Mary), and therefore Salome was Jesus' aunt:

"Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene." (John 19:25 KJV)
"There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome" (Mark 15:40 KJV)

From the first part above we know that Salome was Mary's sister. Now, second, Salome is then also identified the wife of Zebedee, as John is identified as the son of Zebedee. The picture is then complete. Salome is identified as Mary's sister and John's mother - John was therefore Jesus' cousin.

"And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father" (Matthew 4:21 KJV)
"Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children [i.e. Salome, as identified in the first part, above]" (Matthew 27:56 KJV)

Ma dobro, niko tu ne pliva za ordenje i zahvalnice.....


se upireš da nas pokrstiš "baptističkim" tekstovima.


Koji to drugi? Mi ovde govorimo o pravoslavnim običajima.


Možda je čin krštenja iniciran samo-inicijacijom ili je njena posledica? Ali to opet nema nikakve veze sa Hristovom verom koju je od sekte, kako kažeš, usmerio na ozbiljan religijski pravac. Put toga je verovatno praćen raznom simbolikom koja se menjala kroz narode. O tome smo već govorili.


Tačno,  kao što ga neki svrstavaju i u gnostike a neki čak i u preteču hrišćanstva.  To je opet duboka filozofsko-istorijsko-religijska tema.


Mislim stvarno....
Kazn Džon...kako to zvuči baptistički. 

 

tema iz 2006 malo je opsirnije objasnjeno, kako je pocelo mozda spojti teme ipak ovo postaje sve masovnije

http://forum.burek.com/svi-sutra-na-kupanje-bogojavljensko-plivanje-u-zemunu-t76785.topicseen.html

inače svetih jovana ima nekoliko.

Pa Nije ni Isus nego Jesua ,Originalna biblija je pisana na hebrejskom jeziku i svako slovo svaka rec ima svoj broj sa dvosmislenim znacenjem, ukupan zbir tih brojeva mora da daje takodje broj sa znacenjem ,na primer 888
znaci sin boziji .da bi studirali bibliju i biblijsko znanje neophodno je poznavanje svih cetri pravaca i ogranaka kabale.

To sto ljudi prepisuju i daju imena po svojoj zemlji je prica za sebe ,Uporedi Francuskog ,Italijanskog ,Srpskog,Sngleskog i Spanskog Jovana Krstitelja svud mu je drugacije ime .
I to je pogresno ,treba da bude onako kako je bilo originalno na jeziku od koga je potekao ,Aramejsko- Hebrejskom .

Srbija je postala hriscanska zemlja tek negde u 876 sa krstenjem kralja Mutimira od Cirila i Metodija ali to uopste ne znaci da su svi srbi bili tada hriscani.

Sveto pismo je prevedeno na srpski tek pre 30--tak godina ,dakle sa namernim zakasnjenjem od 1100 godina
zbog jacanja crkve koja je time zelela da ustanovi neophodnost popova za bogo sluzenje ,drugim recima nisu hteli da dele i sire znanje sa obicnim ljudima ,ali su hteli da njima upravljaju .
Crkven stav je bio da je prevod sa grckog i staroslovenskog nepotreban???
Sve te prepisivacke skole su osnovane cisto za rad i jacanje crkve ,obican narod nije imao puno dodira
sa svetim spisima .

Religija je glupost i mi je nismo izmislili ,nepotrebno gubljenje vremena ,

Jovanovo otkrovenje mislim na onog sto su ga bacili u kazan vrelog ulja pa je preziveo ,
Kaze covek jasno da ce 90 % ljudi da izumre u raznim katastrofama i da ce covek biti redji od zlata .
dakle to je apokalipticna vera u nistavilo koje dolazi i neko svetlo i mir posle toga ali samo za nekolicinu odabranih.
Zasto verovati u te gluposti ?

Pa ovo takmicenje u Kraljevu nikako nije moglo da se odrzava u letnje vreme srecom zbog datuma jer onda bi nivo vode u Ibru bio jedva kolena ako ne i manji .

Alex... sto uvede novu rec "baptisticki"...

Sad cemo da samo slusamo o tome... 

To je onaj fazon... naucis novu rec i spinujes je do besvesti i nazad...

Ja mislim da treba da uvedu ronjenje na dah za Casnim krstom.