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A ko je vama vezao ruke pa ne možete da postavljate druge izvore?
Trenutno nemam net pa mi je to smetnja...

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A koji su to mnogi?

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Vi mora da ste od baba culi o kuratosti Rusa, cim ih ne vadite iz usta...

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Blic ocito ima monopol nad novostima o vladici Artemiju...
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------за чијим очима смета ''свако насиље''  Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile....-----
Ipak, incident u manastiru Gračanica, jednom od spomenika kulture koji štiti i UNESKO, može imati izuzetno ozbiljne posledice. Od “čišćenja” unutar SPC, preko dubokog upliva politike u crkvene poslove, pa sve do rascepa najveće verske zajednice u Srbiji.

Tuča u Gračanici - monasi u mantijama padaju na beton, raščupanih i golih glava – prizor je koji se vrti po ovdašnjim medijima. Iako šokantan, teolog Dimitrije Kalezić podsetiće da ovakve slike u istoriji hrišćanstva nisu retkost:

“Recimo, sporovi oko ikona. Kada su cara Konstantina vizantijskog njegovi protivnici nazvali đubretom.”
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Вуковар је коштао хиљаде српских живота – добрим делом управо оних наочитих момака који су 10. марта 1991. у колонама пристигли на Теразијску чесму са Звездаре, Карабурме, Чубуре, Чукарице, и из разних приграђа.
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Ehe, ajmo bez tih stvari. Ima li se drugi izvor, nije problem postaviti. Samo o relevantnosti zvora nemojmo.
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Naravno, svako ima pravo da postavi sta hoce dok god je to u skladu sa pravilima foruma, ja cak ni ne trazim da se uopste ne citira blic, vec samo molim da se to redje radi zbog ocite pristrasnosti. Najlakse je odgovoriti drugim izvorom, ali je bez veze da se tema zatrpava citatima iz blica i b92 s jedne i srpskih nacionalista, borbe za veru, svetosavlja... sa druge strane. Smile
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Razumem te. Samo kao sto si mogao primetiti, najglasnija beba prva dobije sisu.  Smile Slobodno imate li drugih izvora postavljajte. Jer jednostranost moze odvesti samo jednoj strani, ne i, ako ne istini, bar pribliznijem shvatanju postojecih desavanja.

Ne bi trebalo likovati nad time, kao ni nad bilo cime u zivotu. Jer opet na samo da nije u duhu religijskih postavki o ljubavi, vec i ljudskih postavki o covecnosti. O onome sta nas razlikuje od ostalih vrsta, ne padati pod instikte te vrste ... vec razlozno i hladne glave sagledati razne aspekte.

Jer lako se moze desiti da nam neko prica o kuci na drugom kraju sume, ada mi to ne prihvatimo jer je od sume ne vidimo. A time nista ne resavamo, pa ni nase celokupno vidjenje necega.

Uzivajte, diskutujte, samo se nemojte vredjati. To ne vodi konacnom saznanju. Vec necem drugom ...

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Naravno, svako ima pravo da postavi sta hoce dok god je to u skladu sa pravilima foruma, ja cak ni ne trazim da se uopste ne citira blic, vec samo molim da se to redje radi zbog ocite pristrasnosti. Najlakse je odgovoriti drugim izvorom, ali je bez veze da se tema zatrpava citatima iz blica i b92 s jedne i srpskih nacionalista, borbe za veru, svetosavlja... sa druge strane. Smile
I ja mislim da je grupo postavljati samo tekstove iz novina i time se gubi licna rasprava..Mogu ja da postavim ovde raznih tekstova suprotinih blicu ali cemu to vodi Smile
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Statement by James George Jatras Regarding Allegations of Misuse of Funds to Support Lobbying in the United States on Behalf of Serbs in Kosovo and Metohija

February 18, 2010

Washington

In connection with the suspension of His Grace, Bishop ARTEMIJE, from supervision of his Eparchy, allegations have been made to the effect that funds allocated for other purposes (variously reported as earmarked for humanitarian relief or for repair of churches) instead were used to pay for lobbying service by two firms with which I have been associated, Venable and Squire Sanders. To the best of my knowledge, this was first raised in Blic yesterday. Later that same day, an item appeared in a website purporting to be that of the Diocese of Ras and Prizren and Kosovo and Metohija, denouncing me for beginning circulation of an open appeal in defense of Vladika Artemije, which started yesterday.

I will address the accusation of the alleged misuse of funds in due course, below. But first it needs to be made clear what is going on here: that a concerted effort is being made to destroy the man who, more than anyone else, has become the symbol of Serbia’s resistance to amputation and annihilation of Serbia’s most important spiritual and national patrimony. Can anyone doubt that should it succeed what would be the consequence for the Serbs of Kosovo and Metohija and for the whole Serbian nation? Even if there are legitimate questions to be asked about administrative matters in the Diocese, everyone can see the methods being used to obliterate Vladika Artemije’s public witness and to terrorize and intimidate his supporters. Who benefits from that?

With regard to my contract for lobbying services on behalf of Vladika Artemije and of the Serbian people of Kosovo and Metohija, I have and always will regard the fact that His Grace asked me, and not someone else, to perform this task in Washington as the great honor of my life. It should be kept in mind that beginning with my work at the U.S. Senate, and subsequently during my testimony as the trial of Slobodan Milosevic at The Hague, I have tried to be conscientious regarding both the damage my own country was doing to itself through its misguided Balkan policy (and particularly support of radical Islamic elements in Bosnia and Kosovo) and the obscene unfairness of the demonization the Western powers, especially the United States, attached to the Serbs during the Balkan wars of the 1990s. For that, well before being engaged by the Serbs of Kosovo, I was attacked from many quarters, notably by Islamic organizations and the Albanian lobby. Perhaps for that reason, when Vladika Artemije decided that something on a professional basis needed to be done on behalf of his people, he selected me knowing that it would not be just a “job” performed by a “hired gun” who could just as happily represent Serbia’s enemies but someone committed to his cause.

In March 2006, I signed on behalf of Venable an agreement with the Serbian National Council of Kosovo and Metohija (SNC), under the signature of its president, Mr. Dragan Velic. It should be kept in mind there was then no official Serbian government lobbying effort in the United States, at a time when the U.S. government clearly was moving towards a “final solution” of the province’s status. (Several months later the government did sign an agreement with another firm but not, as far as I know, with specific reference to Kosovo.) Vladika Artemije concluded that if no action was going to be taken by official Belgrade, he had no choice but to try to do something himself as the centerpiece of a professional effort to put the truth about Kosovo in front of the face of the American people and decision-makers.

Upon signing of the March 2006 agreement with the SNC, Venable immediately launched the American Council for Kosovo. Our goal was to provide a real American voice against the wrong-headedness of our country’s policy of supporting a group of Islamic terrorists and organized crime organizations (the KLA) under the command of the criminals Thaci, Ceku, and Haradinaj; and to show that far from perpetrators of genocide in Kosovo, Serbs are the victims. We knew we were starting a fight with an entrenched policy position in Washington, which held that all the merits were on the Albanian side and none on the Serbian side. We also were fighting against an Albanian lobby that had been active, literally, for decades, and which had vast sources of funds (of course, including criminal proceeds), the amounts of which can only be speculated, and which lavishly gave to American politicians’ campaigns.

The reaction to our beginning operations was hysterical. One of the Albanian-American groups accused us of trying to “hijack American policy toward Kosova,” to which, of course, the Albanians were accustomed to full and uncontested enjoyment. (It is quite meaningful that the information in the Blic article is taken almost word-for-word from this Albanian-American site.) They hacked our website. They launched a phony mirror site (which even fooled some people into thinking we were working for the Albanians too!). They denounced us as racists, extremists, etc., for pointing out the truth of Kosovo and the “friends” America had adopted there. We believed we could win only by changing the terms of debate. When we began, “Kosovo” meant only “the place where America stopped genocide of peaceful Albanians by evil Serbs.” Due to our efforts, for many, many Americans “Kosovo” now means “the place where our government insanely helps jihadists and gangsters terrorize Christian Serbs.”

Were we successful? Let us remember that when we began our efforts Washington fully expected smoothly to arrange the “final status” of Kosovo well before the end of 2006. The architects of American policy expected minimal resistance from Belgrade and were sure the Russians were not serious in their opposition to independence. And of course there were virtually no dissenting voices in the United States. While our efforts may not have been early enough to have accomplished a reversal of American policy, I am confident that if not for this campaign under Vladika Artemije’s guidance and direction Washington would have moved much faster than it did to “resolve” the issue. Instead, we threw enough sand in the gears that contributed to a delay of almost two years, by which time the Russian position had become rock-solid and it had become impossible for anyone (openly, anyway) in Serbian politics to consent to losing Kosovo. Even when Washington did make its move in early 2008, in concert with the KLA kingpins and with unprecedented bullying of our European allies, they did so with the increasingly desperate knowledge they were losing ground and that it was “now or never.” The result – the ongoing, unresolved crisis – is not one anyone wants to see but is far better than what likely would have been the case if we had not moved when we did at Vladika Artemije’s initiative. I sincerely believe we helped give Serbia a fighting chance, which it is still her option to take advantage of or not.

With respect to the money, there is a curious assumption behind the accusation that moneys were “diverted” to lobbying: that while Serbia’s enemies should take full advantage of all the influence money can buy, Serbs should rely solely on goodhearted, voluntary, nonprofessional efforts. That assumption is a large part of why Serbia and Serbs ended up where they did in the propaganda wars of the 1990s. It is an assumption Vladika Artemije wisely understood he had to reject if he was to have any hope of saving his flock. In any case, the cost for services in the agreement signed between SNC and Venable in March 2006 was for an initial six-month period for $600,000, and continuing thereafter unless cancelled at the same rate of $100,000 per month. Any search of lobbying records for international clients shows that is this is well within the range of such services, with two provisos:

o First, that the payments under the SNC/Venable agreement were inclusive of out-of-pocket costs (like media buys, travel, conferences, etc.), and was not just for professional fees to the firm for its work. This is not usual. In most agreements the contract amount is what goes for the work, with costs added on top. This means that out of the SNC/Venable contract from one-third to up to forty percent of the funds paid went not for professional fees but for things like ads in papers read by officials, like Roll Call and The Hill; in well-read political sites like DrudgeReport and Daily Kos; conferences at locations like the Capitol Hill Club (Washington’s most well-regarded Republican gathering place); for travel around the U.S., Britain, Germany, Russia, India, Israel, Belgium (EU), Rome, and other locations; and similar expenses. This also means that the actual amount paid for the work of Venable’s professionals was far exceeded (by a factor of two or three times) by the amount of time devoted to the mission.
o Second, that funding ($600,000) for the initial six months, which was paid out over the period March-December 2006, virtually exhausted the sources available for support of the representation. In February 2007, because I had changed firms, the agreement with Venable was reassigned to Squire Sanders Public Advocacy, under the signature of Fr. Simeon (Vilovski), continuing at $100,000 per month, though by then no further funds were available. Notwithstanding, the work continued at the same intensity throughout 2007 and 2008, and into 2009. Since then, it has been necessary to scale back the work but it has never fully ended despite having, in effect, ceased to be professional effort and transformed into essentially a volunteer activity.


So, that means that since the signing of the March 2006 contract, that initial $600,000 for six months has bought almost four years worth of work of varying levels of intensity. That’s an average of about $12,500 per month, of which, as noted above, a sizeable portion went to costs.

None of what is related above is a state secret, however. As noted, all of this has been public record since March 2006, and in a sense it is absurd and insulting to have to explain it. How, then, to understand the sense of breathless discovery by those trying to discredit Vladika Artemije? When all is said and done, there is only one legitimate question than can be asked that relates to the lobbying issue: did the funds for it come from some specific source for which it was absolutely impermissible to be used for any other purpose, such as lobbying? Not being party to the Eparchy’s ledgers, I would strongly doubt it. First, money is fungible. If money is given to the Eparchy for various purposes and then is spent for a number of legitimate activities, how is it determined which money went for what purpose? Second, I categorically reject any suggestion that Vladika Artemije, Fr. Simeon, or any of the monastics and laity associated with him would perform any clearly improper action, financial or otherwise. If, on the other hand, we are talking about questions of judgment, that should be left to the Bishop’s discretion. For example, if Vladika Artemije decides that instead of spending a dollar to help restore a damaged church (so the Albanians can attack it again) it would be better to spend it to help ensure churches won’t be destroyed, who better than he to be the judge of it?

In any case, such questions can be asked in a reasonable and humane way. That is not, however, what we see before us today, which can only feed the sense that something else is at work. It is hard to escape the conclusion that what really is unfolding is a political agenda to silence Vladika Artemije’s courageous and irreplaceable voice that is so offensive to some in Washington, Brussels, and Belgrade.

In closing, I note that the item posted on the “new” Eparchy site accuses me not only of hypocrisy but of attacking the Holy Synod. To appeal respectfully but firmly is not to attack. So, once again, I appeal to His Holiness, Patriarch IRINEJ, to the Holy Synod, and to the whole Serbian people, that this unjust and unjustified persecution of Vladika Artemije stop at once and that he be restored to authority over his Diocese.




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„Образ” и „1389” далеко од забране
Како су се припадници ове две организације нашли на месту сукоба испред манастира у Грачаници
Акција „Образа” испред Патријаршије у Београду (Фото Л. Адровић)

Предмети које је Уставни суд формирао по предлогу републичког тужиоца за забрану десничарских организација Српски народни покрет „1389“ и „Образ“ у редовној су судској процедури, каже Дејан Милић, портпарол суда. Милић објашњава да је организовано неколико припремних седница на којима су разматране прикупљене информације, али да Уставни суд још није одлучивао о овим предметима.

Републички тужилац Слободан Радовановић јавно је тражио забрану ових организација 24. септембра прошле године, убрзо затим ова иницијатива је званично прослеђена Уставном суду Србије. Имајући у виду да ова институција многе предмете разматра годинама, извесно је да су „1389” и „Образ” далеко од забране. Чланови ових организација поново су се нашли у медијским извештајима у којима се говори о инцидентима – овог пута немиле сцене десиле су се у дворишту манастира Грачаница, а према неким наводима, за време прошлонедељне туче монаха и покушаја да се уђе у манастир, у дворишту је највише било чланова Српског народног покрета „1389“ и „Образ“.

Миша Вацић, портпарол СНП „1389“, каже да су ти извештаји нетачни и да су се чланови ове организације случајно затекли у Грачаници за време инцидента, односно да су дошли да донесу хуманитарну помоћ за житеље Космета.

– Ми смо били у манастиру, а не испред главне капије где се десио инцидент. Око 36 наших чланова боравило је неко време на Космету где су донели хуманитарну помоћ. У недељу у подне с једне стране је почела да пристиже војска и полиција и они су потпуно блокирали манастир, а с друге стране почели су да долазе верници и монаси из других манастира. Тада су се збили немили инциденти. Наша организација учествује у политичком животу већ пет година и присуствовала је на разним скуповима, али ово је нешто најгоре што смо до сада видели. То је срамота свих нас – рекао је Вацић.

Он истиче да је званични став покрета „1389“ да се не меша у црквене одлуке нити у црквена дешавања, и да не желе да се опредељују „за“ или „против“, али да као политичка организација подржавају јавно деловање владике Артемија.

– Он је један од архијереја који најчвршће заступа став да је Косово неодвојиви део Србије и због тога заслужује подршку српског народа – каже Вацић.

На питање да ли ће, док траје поступак против владике Артемија, сарађивати са привременим администратором епархије владиком Атанасијем, Вацић каже да са овим владиком до сада нису имали контаката.

– Није нам баш најјасније шта подразумева функција администратора, али благослов за наш хуманитарни рад ћемо и даље тражити од владике Артемија – каже Вацић.

– Уз владику Артемија је већина Срба са Космета, „Образ“ има своје чланове тамо и они су дошли у манастир Грачаницу да подрже свог архијереја – истиче Младен Обрадовић, главни секретар „Образа”.

– Хтели су да узму благослов од епископа, али им није дозвољено да уђу у манастир који је био потпуно блокиран. Није нормално да су врата манастира затворена и да не можете доћи до владике, а забрињавајуће је што то чине извршиоци најновијих синодских одлука. Они сносе и одговорност због сукоба јер су упали у манастир и почели да обијају келије – каже Обрадовић.

Чланови „Образа“ били су и испред Патријаршије у Београду дан пре сукоба у Грачаници, где су са монасима, свештенством и верницима чекали одлуку Синода и давали подршку владици Артемију.

Он додаје и да је „Образ” недавно покренуо петицију за подршку владици Артемију и да је прикупљање потписа у току.

Ј. Беоковић

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Рајић: Сврставају се уз струје у СПЦ

Многе невладине организације клерикалног типа настале су делом под окриљем Цркве, а делом под окриљем власти, тесно су повезане са Црквом, али са различитим струјама у Цркви и оног часа када дође до неког сукоба, стаће на одређену страну, каже Љубиша Рајић, универзитетски професор са Филолошког факултета.

– Тиме су избрисале разлику између црквеног и политичког живота. То, међутим, није неочекивано и ништа ново у нашој историји, где су увек постојале одређене организације које су снажно подржавале Цркву. Такве ствари сметају политичком животу, а врло често су далеко од хришћанских идеала – каже Рајић.

Он сматра и да се такозвани обични верници већ дуже време ни за шта у Цркви не питају, „осим за то колико ће да плате крштење, венчање или сахрану“, па да није чудно и ако их на скуповима попут оног који се завршио инцидентом у недељу има у мањем броју.
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