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kad su prosle godine srali o svinjskom gripu u meksiko sitiju dao sam oglas i niko nije hteo da mi ustupi putovanje u isti za dz

Kad ti ovo uspe, baci poruku, ja bi isto da probam. Mada sam cuo ovo sad kako su opet zakrvili u Avganistanu, daju poslove sa godisnjom platom od 70k dolara i to za rad samo u kampu. To bi me pokrilo za sledecu godinu potpuno.  Smile
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ma jok bre to je samo jeftini senzacionalizam,plati mi kartu i odmah idem u al aziziu Smile a u afganistan se tesko upada,mada iso bi ne plasim se ja ni da poginem a nemam ni sta da izgubim
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ne plasim se ja ni da poginem a nemam ni sta da izgubim

Onaj ko se plasi smrti, taj nije ziveo, rece neki filozof jebivetar, neam pojma koji.
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Passed to the Telegraph by WikiLeaks 9:33PM GMT 31 Jan 2011
Ref ID: 10TRIPOLI79
Date: 1/28/2010 15:14
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 TRIPOLI 000079 SIPDIS STATE FOR NEA/MAG, COMMERCE FOR NATE MASON E.O. 12958: DECL: 1/26/2020 TAGS: CVIS, PREL, ECON, EFIN, ECIN, EINV, EIND, ETRD, ETTC, LY SUBJECT: TECHNOLOGY TO TOURISM: HEAD OF INVESTMENT AUTHORITY DISCUSSES OPPORTUNITIES FOR U.S. BUSINESS IN LIBYA CLASSIFIED BY: Gene A. Cretz, Ambassador, U.S. Embassy Tripoli, Department of State. REASON: 1.4 (b), (d)

1.(C) Summary. During a January 20 meeting with the Ambassador, Mohamed Layas, the Head of the Libyan Investment Authority (LIA, Libya's sovereign wealth fund), welcomed the February 20-23 Department of Commerce-led Trade Mission and highlighted ways that U.S. businesses could thrive in Libya, particularly in the tourism and health services sectors. The Ambassador underlined the need for the Libyan government to eliminate the "visa freeze" for official Americans and to improve the visa process for other Americans, including allowing American tourists to enter Libya. Layas asserted that the LIA has USD 32 billion in liquidity, and noted that several American banks are each managing USD 300-500 million of the LIA's funds. End Summary.

HOW U.S. BUSINESS CAN THRIVE IN LIBYA: TECHNOLOGY TO TOURISM

2.(C) During a January 20 meeting in his prime office-space overlooking the Mediterranean Sea, Layas discussed with the Ambassador (accompanied by the FCS officer and P/E chief) the many ways in which U.S. businesses could thrive in Libya, through investment, trade, and joint ventures. He welcomed the February 20-23 Department of Commerce Trade Mission and offered his thoughts on how to make the program a success -- "The best thing to do is to meet the right people here. You should have 2-3 ministers address the whole group." He explained that the LIA was very interested in attracting more U.S. business to Libya and believed the U.S. could play a "major role" in Libya's development. During a recent visit to Washington, Layas met with a number of American company representatives, as well as the Export-Import Bank (EXIM), to educate them on opportunities to invest in the "unique [Libyan] market," which according to him, unfortunately includes bureaucratic "red tape and corruption." Some of the advantages that Layas saw the U.S. having over European competitors for contracts in Libya are the weakness of the dollar compared to the Euro, as well as U.S. access to more advanced technology. Layas believes U.S. companies can expand on their success in Libya's hydrocarbon market by competing for contracts in the electricity market, health services, and tourism.

3.(C) Layas was particularly interested in importation of advanced U.S. medical technology, outlining plans to create a large medical center in Tripoli. He sees opportunities for U.S. firms to enter into joint ventures with Libyan companies to develop such plans. Additionally, he noted that the LIA plans to manage a large tourism development plan, which will involve USD 1 billion projects in Western Libya, Eastern Libya, the Green Mountains, and potentially another city (most likely Tripoli). Layas believes more than half of Libya's projected USD 136 billion development plan budget has been committed in contracts, but implied that some companies may back out of those contracts, as they were "reconsidering the conditions." Layas asked the Ambassador to pass on the message that Libya was still open to development by U.S. companies and that Libya wants to establish "lasting relationships" with major U.S. firms.

IMPROVING BILATERAL RELATIONS THROUGH VISAS

4.(C) The Ambassador attested to the interest of Americans -- businesspeople, government officials, and tourists -- in coming to Libya, but underlined the obstacles that Americans face when trying to obtain visas. The current "visa freeze" for official Americans was only the latest in a number of difficulties that Americans faced. The Ambassador highlighted the imbalance in our governments' approaches to the relationship -- whereas the Embassy provided full consular services and had issued over 3,000 visas to Libyans since opening in April 2009, U.S. tourists still could not visit Libya. The situation is affecting Embassy operations, including planning for the Trade Mission, and needs to be addressed. Layas sympathetically commented that he had also faced problems recently in trying to obtain visa approvals for a number of American businessmen that had been invited to visit Libya for business discussions.

LIA'S INVESTMENTS: WEATHERING THE STORM

5.(C) The Ambassador stressed the U.S. commitment to the bilateral relationship, including in trade and investment. He inquired about the state of the Libyan economy and the LIA's wealth in particular, given fallen oil prices and the recent world economic crisis. Layas informed the Ambassador that Libya had "weathered the storm" of the economic crisis. He noted that the LIA operated with "high liquidity," and therefore was not concerned about the volatility of the oil market. "We have USD TRIPOLI 00000079 002 OF 002 32 billion in liquidity," he stated, "mostly in bank deposits that will give us good long-term returns." He explained that several American banks are each managing USD 300-500 million of LIA's funds, and opined that the LIA was entangled in a legal disagreement with Lehman Brother's due to a major investment that was "mismanaged." He said that the LIA has an office in London and preferred doing business there rather than in the United States, due to the "ease of doing business" in the UK and relatively "uncomplicated tax system." He noted that the LIA's primary investments are in London, in banking and residential and commercial real estate.

6.(C) Layas denied press reports that the LIA had invested USD 100 million with the infamous Allen Stanford. He said that he had personally written a letter to the "Financial Times" disputing the information, explaining that Stanford had approached the LIA in the middle of his crisis, offering a 7-8% share in his investment scheme, but Layas had refused. Layas also mentioned having been previously approached by Bernard Madoff about an investment opportunity, "but we did not accept." On the contrary, LIA's recent purchase of the Canadian Verenex oil company -- after much controversy over the manner in which it was purchased and share price -- was considered by Layas a "good deal." LIA plans to operate Verenex jointly with the Libyan Investment and Development Corporation (LIDCO).

7.(C) Comment: The LIA controls at least seven subsidiary organizations, and a fund that holds USD 32 billion in liquid assets. The fact that Layas weathered his own storm -- LIA's controversial, reported entanglement with Allen Stanford -- in a regime that has proven to be unforgiving in the face of embarrassment, is surprising, and indicative of his strong ties to powerful protectors within the Libyan regime. End comment. CRETZ

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikileaks-files/libya-wikileaks/8294727/TECHNOLOGY-TO-TOURISM-HEAD-OF-INVESTMENT-AUTHORITY-DISCUSSES-OPPORTUNITIES-FOR-U.S.-BUSINESS-IN-LIBYA.html
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jeee... ala brzo pisete, ne mogu sve da pratim.

i ? kakav razvoj predvidjate ?  u libiju dolaze judejci kao kod nas ili "muslimanska braca" na koje ce amerikanci kasnije da bace atomsku i zbrisu sve odatle ?
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ja mislim da ako potraju dovoljno dugo,da ce UN uspostaviti "mirovnu operaciju"(citaj-paravan za skidanje kajmaka kakvo skidanje kajmaka...  Smile cerupanje,bre!  Smile).

samo da dovoljno dugo potraju,da se dovoljno lazi naservira(avioni koji bombarduju civile,ugrozena stabilnost regiona ,i slicni kurci palci...) i da se dovoljno izsatanizuje,i ovi uspostavljaju "mirovnu operaciju" sto posto.

u 5 evra.  Smile

Pa,evo,vec su pocele pizde i nas da uvlace u lazi...

Reliable sources in Tripoli have confirmed that over 500 persons have died in late night clashes between government sponsored troops and protesters against the Gaddafi government in the capital and surrounding towns.

Other sources have reported seeing thousands of foreign mercenaries roaming the streets and more are being brought in to stem the rebellion. Serbian pilots are reputed to be manning the planes which are dive bombing protesters.

Two Libyan Airforce Mirage jets landed in Malta yesterday with their pilots asking for political asylum. No official reaction from the Maltese government so far other than that the pilots which landed here yesterday are Libyan colonels who defected.






http://malta.cc/latest-news/rolling-update-live-libya-2011/

Ko ce drugi da bude kriv,nego Srbi...  Smile
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An anti-Gaddafi protest outside the Libyan embassy in Attard was threatening to get violent this morning, with the crowd of some 100 threatening to force its way into the building if the ambassador did not leave.

One of those taking part also threw a stone at an embassy window.

The crowd shouted in Arabic "We're here to stay until he (the ambassador) leaves and if he doesn't we're going in... Today you have to decide you're either here or there. You're either with the country or not."

They also burned Libyan banknotes and an Italian flag while shouting insults at Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, a friend of Col Gaddafi.

Earlier, they called on the "hero" pilots who arrived in Malta on military jets after they defected yesterday to tell them what was happening.

"We want to speak to them and they should also speak to media. They are heroes, they should tell us what is happening," they said.

The protest is the second in as many days.

Some of those taking part were emotional. The eyes of one of them filled with tears when he described having seen pictures of massacres in his country.

"There are rivers of blood on the streets of Tripoli," he said adding that Serbian planes were being sent to bomb civilian protesters.


Holding graphic internet print-outs of the atrocities currently taking place in Libya, the protesters called on the ambassador to resign like other diplomats.

Yesterday, the some 250 mostly Libyan men who protested, called for the ousting of the Libyan leader, the resignation of the ambassador and the replacement of the Libyan flag at the embassy with the post independence flag.

This morning, as the first protesters gathered, a man who appeared to be pro-government objected to the protest and argued with an organiser and the police before being led away.

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i,sad,vi mislite da ce neki Evropski curan,kad bude ovo citao,da zna sta je Galeb,i da ga Libija koristi,i da shvati sta se (kobajagi) pod ovim mislilo?Ili jos bolje-da shvati da je sve obican bullshit i izmisljotina? Oce djavola.

Ima samo da kaze-"Jao,onaj Gadafi je novi Hitler,a oni Srbi su mu zle sluge,evo,ubijaju narod tamo".

I tako vam se gospodo satanizuje narod.  Smile za tren oka,u 3 laka koraka.Po Americkoj formuli.  Smile


Gadafi Hitler,Srbi neprijatelji demokratije,Libija nestabilna,i samim tim ugrozena dobra stara stabilnost regiona ™.
Eto fine podloge za uspostavljanje "mirovne operacije".  Smile
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U Libij ima više plemena koja su u sukobu. Glavni izvori nafte su na teritoriji jednog plemena. Oni će po vojvođanskom principu reći ne damo više našu naftu. Onda će oni drugi koji imaju vodu reći ne damo ni mi našu vodu. Oni treći koji imaju vojsku će na to poći da otklone smetnje u isporuci nafte i vode. Onda će se umešati islamisti i tako od zemlje dembelije do međunarodnog protektorata koji će ponovo uspostaviti prodaju nafte ali od toga Libija ima da vidi koliko i Irak.
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U Libij ima više plemena koja su u sukobu. Glavni izvori nafte su na teritoriji jednog plemena. Oni će po vojvođanskom principu reći ne damo više našu naftu. Onda će oni drugi koji imaju vodu reći ne damo ni mi našu vodu. Oni treći koji imaju vojsku će na to poći da otklone smetnje u isporuci nafte i vode. Onda će se umešati islamisti i tako od zemlje dembelije do međunarodnog protektorata koji će ponovo uspostaviti prodaju nafte ali od toga Libija ima da vidi koliko i Irak.

upravo tako.


btw-i onda ce posle ovog clanka i ovih namernih lazi,@danilo i @steva mene da ubedjuju da nas zapad voli...  Smile
znam.vidim.slatki smo im ko secerna bolest. Smiley

EDIT-na twiteru i slicnim kretenizmima,a i forumima,se vec pominju Srpski piloti.

Ajmo,ajmo... dajte svoju ponudu!Ucestvujte u akciji satanizovanja Srbije i Libije!   

Da li ja to cujem "Srpski tenkovi zauzeli Tripoli"?   

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Prava zapadnjacka ljubav,nema sta... Smiley
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samo da dovoljno dugo potraju,da se dovoljno lazi naservira(avioni koji bombarduju civile,ugrozena stabilnost regiona ,i slicni kurci palci...) i da se dovoljno izsatanizuje,i ovi uspostavljaju "mirovnu operaciju" sto posto.

A ona dva Miraza sto su prebegla na Maltu su trebala da zaprasuju komarce.  Smile
Gadafijev sin Saif je priznao na TV-u upotrebu vojnih aviona, a to prenosi eto i RT.


На дну текста пише ти извор. Иди на линк па провери  Smile


Da li ja to cujem "Srpski tenkovi zauzeli Tripoli"?   


Nista, pravac na twiter pa pustiti glas da je Mladic vodi trupe u Tripoliju pa neka ga traze tamo  Smile

Pise: "Vesti-Online" samo sto oni nemaju takav tekst. Sada da verujem tekstu web stranice sela u Vojvodini  Smile


"There are rivers of blood on the streets of Tripoli," he said adding that Serbian planes were being sent to bomb civilian protesters.


I vi jos nesto protiv Sutanovca a srpska avijacija je u stanju da salje bombardere na drugi kontinent  Smile


i ? kakav razvoj predvidjate ?

Nista od toga. Ovo prerasta u plemenski sukob, ovi sa istoka, Cirinajke, su uzeli svoje, a na istoku je nafta, sada, dal ce ici na Tripolis, nemaju potrebe. Cak i da Gasha zadrzi Tripolis, na duze sstaze slaba vajda kad je nafta na drugoj strani. Kad bi dalje spekulisali, plemena se okupe i naprave neki dogovor da ne rasturaju zemlju, ukoliko bi ovi sa istoka imali interesa.

ja mislim da ako potraju dovoljno dugo,da ce UN uspostaviti "mirovnu operaciju"(citaj-paravan za skidanje kajmaka kakvo skidanje kajmaka...  Smile cerupanje,bre!  Smile).

Sada, ako bude to pod UN-om, tu pristanak moraju da daju i Rusi, inace nema legitimitet UN-a
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Svest nije samo materijalna manifestacija, potrazi na interenetu

Dzoni, ne budi Kristal.

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