Ne to su radili Slovenci u Mladini 1988/89 godine. Citao sam taj tekst.

Кад будеш питао нормално и културно, можда ти и одговорим.

До тад ти препоручујем уџбеник за више разреде Историје за основну школу.

Koliko vicnih antropologa na jednom forumu!

Pa jebiga jedino da ti posaljem telegram podrske ko Milosevicu - a posto mi preporucujes datu literaturu pretpostavljam da je to tvoj plafon "intelektualnog razvoja" pa mislis da to treba da procitam da bi nekako na jedvite jade bili na istom nivou razumevanja materije. 

Al da vidimo sta kaze wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_Albanians

Ethnic origin

The three chief candidates considered by historians are Illyrian, Dacian, or Thracian, though there were other non-Greek groups in the ancient Balkans, including Paionians (who lived north of Macedon) and Agrianians. The Illyrian language and the Thracian language are generally considered to have been on different Indo-European branches. Not much is left of the old Illyrian, Dacian or Thracian tongues, making it difficult to match Albanian with them.

There is debate whether the Illyrian language was a Centum or Satem language. Some evidence suggests that it was centum, but it is not conclusive. It is also uncertain whether Illyrians spoke a homogeneous language or rather a collection of different but related languages that were wrongly considered the same language by ancient writers. The same is sometimes said of the Thracian language. For example, based on the toponyms and other lexical items, Thracian and Dacian were probably different but related languages.

In the early half of the 20th century, many scholars thought that Thracian and Illyrian were one language branch, but due to the lack of evidence, most linguists are skeptical and now reject this idea, and usually place them on different branches. The Messapian language is often included as an Illyrian language, but this is disputed.


Illyrian Origin

There are two variants of the theory: one is that the Albanian language represents a survival of an indigenous Illyrian language spoken in what is now Albania. The other is that the Albanian language is the descendant of an Illyrian language that was spoken north of the Jireček Line and probably north or northeast of Albania.

There is a gap of several centuries between the last historical mention of Illyrians (and the Illyrian tribe Albanoi) and the later mention of Albanians and of the names Albanon and Arbanon to indicate the region. Supporters of either theory say that the term Albanian gradually came to be applied to the surviving Illyrians.

There are some direct correspondences of vocabulary between Albanian and Illyrian [1], but none of these correspondences is conclusive for the purpose of determining whether or not Albanian is an Illyrian language. A few Illyrian lexical items (toponyms, hydronyms, oronyms, anthroponyms, etc.) have been linked to Albanian.

Author John Wilkes argued against Illyrian-Albanian theory:

"In the matter of physical character, skeletal evidence from prehistoric cemeteries suggests no more than average height (male 1.65 m; female 1.53). Not much reliance should perhaps be placed on attempts to define an Illyrian anthropological type as short and dark-skinned similar to modern Albanians".

John Wilkes The Peoples of Europe: The Illyrians Page: 219 1992


Continuity in Albania south of the Jireček Line
 
The Jireček Line divides the areas of the Balkans which were under Latin and Greek influence.Many problems for the theory of Albanian continuity in Albania are recognized, and are addressed in various ways as the case may be.

One problem is the lack of clear archaeological evidence for a continuous settlement of an Albanian-speaking population since Illyrian times. For example, while several scholars maintain that the Komani-Kruja burial sites support the Illyrian-Albanian continuity theory, other scholars reject this and consider that the remains indicate a population of Romanized Illyrians who spoke a Romanic language [2].

The lack [3] or scarcity of definite loans from ancient Greek into Albanian is another problem (v. Hemp). As the Jireček Line shows, if Albanians were continuously settled throughout Albania since Illyrian times, they would have been, in the south, in more or less constant contact with the Greeks, and the absence or scarcity of definite loans from ancient Greek is hard to explain within the context of Albanian continuity. Even Greek loans into Illyrian are known (cf. Wilkes, et al.; including Illyrian names borrowed from Greek), so their absence in Albanian as an alleged descendant of Illlyrian as it was spoken in Albania is doubly difficult to explain.

Another problem is the ancient Illyrian and Roman toponyms (including hydronyms, etc.) in what is now Albania compared to their equivalents in the Albanian language. While a number may (most cases are contested among linguists) pose no major or definite problem in terms of linguistic evolution (v. Hemp), many others appear to have entered through one or more intermediary languages, which strongly indicates that the ancestors of Albanians were not in Albania (v. Hemp et al.). For example, Albanian Shkodër from Latin Scodra and Albanian Tomor from Latin Tomarus do not match the Albanian phonological evolution (v. Hemp).

The written historical records pose another problem. The modern Albanians were not mentioned in Byzantine chronicles until 1043, although Illyria was part of the Byzantine Empire. The Illyrians are referred to for the last time as an ethnic group in Miracula Sancti Demetri (7th century AD). [4]


Thracian/Dacian origin
 
Albanians in the 5th-10th centuries according to the Dacian theoryAside from an Illyrian origin, a Dacian or Thracian origin is also hypothesized. There are a number of factors taken as evidence for a Dacian or Thracian origin of Albanians.

Albanian shares several hundred common words with Eastern Romance, these Eastern Romance words being part of the pre-Roman substrate (see: Eastern Romance substratum) and not loans; Albanian and Eastern Romance also share grammatical features (see Balkan language union) and phonological features, such as the common phonemes or the rhotacism of "n". [5]

Linguists such as Vladimir Georgiev have concluded that the phonology of the Dacian language is close to those of Albanian. However, the degree of this closeness has been criticized and challenged by other linguists, and it is based on incomplete evidence. [6]

Names of the cities that follow Albanian phonetic laws (which include Shtip, Shkupi and Niš) are in the areas once inhabited by Thracians, Dardani [7], and Paionians; however, Illyrians also inhabited or may have inhabited these regions, including Naissus. Hemp for example states that Naissus may as well be considered Illyrian territory. [8]

There are some close correspondences between Thracian and Albanian words [9]. However, as with Illyrian, most Dacian and Thracian words and names have not been closely linked with Albanian (v. Hemp). Also, many Dacian and Thracian placenames were made out of joined names (such as Dacian Sucidava or Thracian Bessapara; see List of Dacian cities and List of ancient Thracian cities), while the modern Albanian language does not allow this. [10]

There are no records that indicate a migration of Dacians into present day Albania. However, Thracian tribes such as the Briges were present in Albania near Durres since before the Roman conquest (v. Hemp) [11]. An argument against a Thracian origin (which does not apply to Dacian) is that most Thracian territory was on the Greek half of the Jirecek Line, aside from varied Thracian populations stretching from Thrace into Albania, passing through Paionia and Dardania and up into Moesia; it is considered that most Thracians were Hellenized in Thrace (v. Hoddinott) and Macedonia.

I poslednja teorija

Anatolian-Dardanian Origin

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7681/origins_7_i_dardanians.html


Ali bez obzira koja od ovih teorija je tacna - kakve to veze ima - da li bilo koja od ovih teorija podrazumeva da su oni nizi ljudi i da ih treba sve pobiti??

Izvinite dragi mi filozofi i teolozi i neo-nacisti ali takvu ideju ne mogu da prihvatim.

eto vidish da i wikipedia izrazava sumnju u ilirsko ,odnosno dachansko/trachansko poreklo albanaca. shto se tiche ubijanja , stvar je vrlo jednostavna - mirna koegzistencija sa albancima je nemoguca ,kao shto je istorija pokazala bezbroj puta. prema tome ,sve se nazalost svelo na :ili mi ili oni.

p.s. gde si ti decky ovde video neo-naciste? tu smo samo mi predratni partijski chlanovi

На жалост, то показује твоје основно незнање и неупућеност.

Не знам шта си радио у животу и где си био али личиш ми на "приученог" интелектуалца који је пре неку годину почео да чита и сад би да убеди цео свет да је најпаметнији иако му за то фали дебела ОСНОВА.

A ja kolko vidim moj mladi prijatelju ti se od osnove nisi mrdnuo a sebi dajes za pravo da sudis o tudjem intelektualnom razvoju. Cisto infomacije radi - kada sam ja citao neke od stvari o kojima ti pokusavas da diskutujes ti nisi bio ni u 5-ogodisnjem planu kod tvojih roditelja.

Samim tim uvuci svoje rogove i pocni da operises cinjenicama umesto sto se naduvavas ovde ko prazan balon.

Наравно да дајем за право кад видим какве све глупости не излазе из твог мозга. Али тастатура трпи све...

Чуј Шиптари - Илири... јесте, како да не, а ми Срби смо Марсовци у најгору руку...


Могуће, али то што си старији ти не даје ама баш никакво право да изиграваш свезнајућег гуруа овде.


Поновићу ти - оно што се учи у основној немам намере да ти исписујем овде.

Mentalitet i nije neka genetska osobina. Nego se radi o brdskom narodu, kao Kurdi pa i Skoti. Izoliranost brda i planina, kao i specificnost zivota (Polunomadski, sa malo obrade zemlje) uslovljava takvo ponasanje. Ja sam ovdje upoznao vise Skota koji su ´90-tih radili na gradilistima. Vrijedni su, rade od jutra do mraka, vole popiti, grupisu se i izoliraju cesto i cesto su agresivni. Jako je tesko slijediti istoriju nekog naroda bez pisanih izvora. DNA analiza kao i jezikovna malo donose svijetla u tu ali slabo sto dokazuju. Npr. Bugari su uzeli slavenski jezik ali nisu Slaveni, Pruzzi su Slaveni ali govore Njemacki i ko je prije 100 godina dosao u Njemacku, njegovi potomci su Nijemci. Govore Njemacki i razlike u mentalitetu nema.
Ima nas svakakvih. Mada ne znam u cemu tome Albanci podsjecaju na Neandertalce, nisu toliko krupni.

blago njima