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Priče o napadima na aerodrome u Tuzli i Tirani su obična izmišljotina koja je začeta u narodu,preuveličana uz pomoć doktora Lazanskog a održavana i dan danas u životu zahvaljujući neozbiljnim i kvazi patriotskim sajtovima.

VJ jeste tokom bombardovanja uništila nekoliko Apača,ali ne tako što ih je bombardovala avionima,nego dok su leteli nad Kosovom.

Amin!



O Boze dragi  ...kad je doslo vreme da moram da branim Amerikance 

Al ajde, cisto u cilju diskusije...U koj oblasti ratovanja i vojske generalno su Amerikanci pickin dim?

Kako se zavrsio 1 i 2 svetski rat? Kako se zavrsio rat u Kuvajtu? kako se zavrsio Iracki rat? Kako se zavrsio rat u Haitiju i Filipinima? I ma koliko to bolno zvucalo, ali kako se zavrsio rat u Hrvatskoj i na Kosovu? (da kazemo da u BiH ameri nisu bas uspeli sve sto su zamislila)

Juce gledah neku emisiju o Americkim sranjima i njihovoj velicini mudiju...prica marinac...taktika...oni u nas upere ak 47 mi posaljemo tenk, oni u nas RPG mi posaljemo bombu od 200kg i tako dalje...jednostavno nemaju potrebu za bliskom borbom.

Aj taj Irak i nekako a sve ostalo je realno grickanje semenki. Lupanje macola.

Ne racunam 1. i 2. svetski naravno.

Normalna stvar....nece valjda ko ludi Srbi da salju svoju decu i studente da srljaju na svabske mitraljeze po ravnici, pa se onda dice i hvale milionima poginulih.
Em nemaju masovne gubitke, em i kad im neko pogine to je obicno neki crnac ili redneck cija je ionako zivotna misija da popije metak umestno nekog drustbveno korisnog coveka.

Ko je tu pickin dim, a ko nije, ne znam....znam samo ko pametno ratuje, a ko salje ljude u masovnu pogibiju!

Mada izgleda da ona priča o tome da nisu smeli u kopnenu invaziju ipak ima neke osnove.

Fala Bogu pa neki mediji još uvek čuvaju svoje arhive.

Evo šta je BBC pisao tog 30. marta 1999. o Američkom predlogu NATOu da se uđe kopneno.

Ground troops: Why Nato says no



Nato forces are already in Macedonia

By Defence Correspondent Jonathan Marcus

Ever since the start of the Nato air campaign against the Yugoslav military there have been calls for Nato troops to move in on the ground.

Kosovo: Special Report    
Before the alliance air offensive began, Nato was preparing to deploy a peace implementation force in Kosovo, providing both sides signed the international peace agreement presented at the Rambouillet talks.

Significant Nato forces have already been sent to Macedonia in preparation for this mission. They include some 12,000 British, French and German troops, a full-scale corps headquarters, tanks, armoured vehicles and heavy artillery.

Desperate calls for ground troops

With the collapse of the peace process this force is simply biding its time. Given the potential threat from Yugoslav artillery or air attacks it has nonetheless taken up defensive positions.

Nato has made it clear that any move against its forces will be met with a swift and decisive response.
But many military experts believe that air power alone cannot achieve Nato's objectives.
Representatives of the Kosovo Liberation Army have desperately called for Nato troops to move into Kosovo to stop the ethnic cleansing.

Political objections

But at the moment there is no suggestion that Nato will send in ground troops.

- For one thing there is simply no will within the alliance to be drawn into a ground war - what would in effect be an invasion into Kosovo. # (pominjani razdor u NATOu koji je počeo 1998' i pretio da ga destabilizuje i ugasi)
- Yugoslav forces are relatively well-equipped and would be expected to resist strongly. The terrain and weather would mitigate some of Nato's advantages - not least the effectiveness of its air power.
- The Clinton administration is already having some problems in convincing a sceptical Congress and public opinion about the merits of the current air operation. It would be much harder to gain support for extensive ground operations.
- What goes for the United States goes for other Nato countries as well. And if the US isn't fully behind such a mission nobody else is going to become involved.

Practical problems

But the principal problems are practical. Very large forces would be needed, especially if Nato casualties were to be reduced to a minimum. They would require a spring-board from which to launch their operations and time to build up the necessary forces.

It is highly unlikely that a country like Macedonia would allow itself to be the base for an invasion of Kosovo.
The infrastructure in the region is basic or non-existent. A comparison with the war to liberate Kuwait shows the magnitude of the problem. Macedonia and Albania are not like Saudi Arabia with huge airfields and modern ports just waiting for the arrival of Nato forces.

Time limitations

But time would be the greatest practical problem. The Belgrade government has been preparing for this sweep through Kosovo for some weeks. # (kao što reče Legija - za tri dana bi sve bilo gotovo) # All its forces were ready to go - some operations were already beginning when the separate negotiating teams sat down at Rambouillet. By the time Nato would be ready to act on the ground, the fate of the civilian population of Kosovo would have been sealed.

Air power 'only option'

Nato insists that air power is the only option and that its current strategy is having an impact upon the Yugoslav forces' ability to carry out their operations in Kosovo.

The problem is that the effect of air power is cumulative. It will take time for the Yugoslav military machine to be seriously damaged. And time, it seems, for the Kosovo Albanians is running out.
At present the only circumstances in which Nato troops might go into Kosovo would be unopposed. That is if the Yugoslav Army and police units pulled out altogether as a result of the Nato attacks.

That may be a long way off. But Nato is ready to reinforce its troops in Macedonia at short notice.
The Supreme Allied Commander Europe's strategic reserve - currently made up of Dutch and Polish troops - is on 96 hours notice to move.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/special_report/1998/kosovo2/307387.stm

However, a ground offensive was vigorously opposed by France and Germany, and had been for some time, since April 1999. French estimates suggested it would need an army of 500,000 to achieve success. This left NATO, particularly the United States, with a clear view that a land operation had no support. With this in mind, the Americans reaffirmed their faith in the air campaign. The reluctance of NATO to use ground forces casts serious doubt on the idea that Milosevic capitulated out of fear of a land invasion.

Isečak iz knjige Kitty Hawk to Kosovo postovan na Wikipediji.

Imala je osnove jer nikada nisu ratovali na takvoj konfiguraciji terena...oni su na prazno ulazili pet dana.
Da ih je nasa vojska cekala potrajalo bi.
Kao slucaj sa Kosarama...nema iz cega nisu rokali taj deo i mucak...mislim izrokaju oni polozaj ali bez nekog efekta.
Granica je i dan danas cela minirana...bila je i pre rata, znam da su mi pricali prijatelji koji su bili na visokim pozicijama u vojsci da su siptari koristili magarce, konje, krave prilikom sverca. ture gps i tako ih sibnu ispred njih....pa su ucrtavali rute za sverc isl. sranja.

Po kojoj logici su oni neka vojska???
Kako ti meris neciju jacinu???
To ti je isto kao sto u skolim imas "mangupe" koji se izivljavaju na slabijima. A kad im dodje neko priblizno njihove snage pobegnu ko pi.ke.
Amerika je dobila ratove jedino protiv slabijih. Uzmimo skalu od 1-10. Neka su Ameri 10, oni se uvek bore protiv nekoga jacine 2 max 3.
A i najbolji primer Americke jacine ili nazovi kako god, mogao se videti prosle godine kad je bilo sranje oko Sirije. Dosao Rus i rekao njet i kraj price, povukla se i ta tvoja Amerika i NATO.

Jednostavno nije bilo potrebe za tim. Srbija je zavisna od uvoza energenata... i to je kraj. Nema nafte -> nema hrane. Sto se struje tice to su gasili kako i kada su hteli, srecom pa nisu trajno (mogli su da uniste TE i posalju nas u srednji vek za par minuta).

Srbija mozda moze da izadje na kraj sa samom Bugarskom, Hrvatskom ili Albanijom. Ali sa necim kalibra Francuska, Nemacka, SAD ili NATO... nema sanse.

Amerika je trenutno ekonomska sila broj 1.
I ona najviše ulaže u svoju vojsku.
Da bi neka velesila propala, ona mora prvo ekonomski da pukne, i tada se ona cela urušava.