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Po tebi je bljuvotina lupetanje sve osim tvoje fantazije i paranoje.A po tebi nije pametovanje kada misliš da tvoja fantazija merodavan svim činjenicama dokazima i svedocima.Opet misliš da je ceo svet glup,a jedini si ti pametan.Istinu lako dokazati,a fantaziju i paranoju vi slatko objašnjavate onima kojima su da te citiram "gaće pune govana",pa misle da su time postali junaci kao Don Kihot koji se borio protiv izmišljenih vetrenjača.Pljujete na zvanične izveštaje i na nauku,a jedino vaša nezvanična fantazija i paranoja je prihavtljivo.Naravno da ti je muka od pozivanja na nauku,kada su sušta suprotnost od nelogične fantazije.A takođe nisi dorastao razumevanju bilo koje grane nauke.Gde god se okreneš vidiš vanzemaljce i zaveru,pa i od svoje senke se bojiš jer misliš da je u zaveri protiv tebe,ne možeš više ni zdravo razmišljati,i ti si mi neki izvor razuma,pameti i istine.Nudim ti jasne dokaze za koje možeš lično da se uveriš,a ti se hvataš samo za tvoju paranoju kao pijan plota,i ponavljaš neke zavere kao da ti je mozak ispran i hipnostisan.Ovo što žestoko ispoljavaju neki to je vrlo opasan bolest u psihologiji.Zove se paranoidna i psihosomatska simptomatologija.Pacijenti su uglavnom anksiozni,i imaju strah od nekih ljudi koji su u zaveri protiv njih,pri čemu strah poprima dimenziju ideju odnosa.Pacijenti uglavnom pokazuju upadljivu socialnu distancu,ali je socialna kompetentnost ipak očuvana.Tako je opisan ovakav slučaj u psihologiji.I to treba da se leči dok i ono najmanje razuma čovek nije izgubio.Niko nije protiv tebe u zaveri,niko te ne dira,okreni se svojoj porodici,poslu,nađi neki opuštajući hobi i odmori se.Nemoj se predavati mislima kako si ti supermen koji će sada da se sveti ili spasiti svet.Pusti svet da da ide putem koji sam sebi zacrtao,ni ti ni ja ne možemo to sprečiti.Kada bude ceo svet se pobunio protiv toga ako je istina,priključiću se i ja tom protestu ili akciji.I ne tvrdim ja da širite paranoju,već se na mnogim forumima daleko školovaniji i stručniji ljudi to tvrde,iako mislite da ste pametniji i od samog magistra nauke.To što širite paranoju nemate nikakve koristi.Koristi ima ako se čovek malo informiše,lično se uveri i kaže istinu.Ali da vam na tacnu donesem da se lično uverite,ne biste hteli prihvatiti,jer je vama širenje paranoje cilj,a ne istine.Ni neznate kako vas upravljaju preko strahova kao piune.

I dalje možemo pratiti avione koji vuku takozvani chemtrail, pa kada se spustue, možemo pitati pilota,ili ako ih nose u hangar na proveru možemo da se obratimo aviomehaničaru da nam pokaže te nevidljive spremnike i rasprživače.Iako suludo kada je avion pun goriva od neki 20.000 litara goriva,kako može nositi još koju hiljada litara hemijskog otrova,kada ne bi smeo ni litar više da ponese zbog bezbednosti aviona pri uzletanju.

To nije moj informativni svet kao što je tvoj informacioni svet fantazije,jer ne izmišljam ja te činjenice.Već prenosim informaciju ono što je globalno poznato.Takođe informacija iz intuicije je lupetanje i nagađanje.

Da,ja logiku tražim u papirima koje su informacije i činjenice.A po tebi mnogo bolje logiku tražiti u fantaziji i paranoji? Tipičan simptom psihoze.

Naravno.Tebi jedino avioni zagađuju vazduh koji učestvuju sa 2% zagađivanja.Zbog toga ljudi imaju respiratorne probleme.A ne od zagađivanja kola,fabrike,i sagorevanje fosilnih goriva koje zagađuje 98% našu atmosferu.Mogu i razumeti pošto si rekao da ti logika nije najjača strana,stoga ne možeš shavtiti razliku između 2% i 98%.I tu su takođe izveštaju krivi.

Prijatelju,nema babaroga,nije svet u zaveri protiv tebe,nisi ti supermen.Priberi se i povrati razum dok nije kasno.Čovek kada izgubi razum vrlo liči na zombija koji živi samo u paranoji i ponavlja samo jedno isu stvar "Tamo neki truju nas,eksperimentišu,oni,oni,oni.......",a pri tom ne zna ni zašto,ni kako,ni zbog čega.Bitno da misli da su oni protiv nas.

sirkan
I naravno sve to ima u 1000 aviona koji preleće nebo i koji se spusti na naše aerodrome.Ja sad mogu slikati butan bocu u mojim kolima kao dokaz kako ja kada vozim namerno trujem ljude iza mene.
A mogu da slikam i avion za gašenje požara kako je to avion za trovanje ljudi,ili ako malo proučiš izveštaje od kojih mnogo bežite,shvatit ćete da astma i neki drugi respiratorne bolesti nastaju zbog jako fine prašine iz izduvnih cevi automobila,koja se zadržava u gradovima i prekriva gradove kao smog.Ali šta da objašnjavam kada vama naučni dokazi su zavera protiv vaše paranoje.

U krajnjem slučaju možda i bolje da je to istina.Treba da nas jedu i kidnapuju vanzemaljci,treba da prave hibrida od nas,treba da nas avioni truju,treba da postoji zavera protiv čovečanstva,jer ako u sve to verujemo,bolje da nestanemo jer više nismo zdravi ne samo fizički već ni u glavi.Po zakonu evolucije bi trebalo da ostanu normalni,razumni,i jaki,bez paranoje i straha. 

Iako ste protiv razuma i logike,moram reći da je u sve što verujete protiv razuma i logike,a evo tekst koji to malo jasnije objašnjava,ako uopšte treba postavljati logične i razumne stvari.Možda sutra ja postavim chemtrails iz mojih kola,snimam butan bocu u nju kao cisternu sa otrovnim hemikalijama,možda snimim i konja koja truje zemlju sa bakterijema iz izmeta,pa da i ja pokrenem pokret protiv trovanja ljudi.

Six Reasons why "Chemtrails" are a Hoax
I first heard about "chemtrails" about five years ago, from an individual on a pre-Y2k preparedness forum. About six months later, I logged onto one of the chemtrail forums, and followed many links, evaluating both pro-chemtrail and anti-chemtrail research. I have also talked to many people about these phenomena, including meteorologists, commercial airplane pilots/crew, and other aerospace engineers with direct experience with large fixed-wing aircraft. I came to conclusions that I would like to discuss below; but first, I'd like to tell you about me, because it may (or may not) give you some insights as to why I believe what I do.

First, I want to emphasize that I do not speak for, or act as an agent for, my employer, The Boeing Company, in any way, shape, or form. My views are completely my own and do not necessarily reflect the views on anyone else at Boeing. As a matter of fact, I doubt if most of my colleagues have even heard of chemtrails. However, with thirty years in the aerospace/defense business, experience as a pilot (small aircraft only) and a habit of reading a lot, I hope that my views have something to back them up. Okay, here's my read on the view that some contrails are more than normal jet engine exhaust:

It's completely bogus. The idea that long-lasting contrails are anything other than normal contrails, in my belief, fails on six counts:

1. The existence of a huge and sinister plot is completely lacking in evidence.

2. The logistics of a massive spraying program would be an order of magnitude higher than the Manhattan Project, the Apollo Moon Landing, or the Vietnam War -- and simply could not be hidden from any oversight.

3. There is no evidence whatsoever of aircraft modified to perform some of the spraying methodologies that are proposed.

4. Anecdotal "evidence" of any illnesses caused by contrails is not backed up by any reliable data (and is actually contradicted by others).

5. There has never been any evidence of anyone collecting some of this "chemtrail" material in situ, having it tested by any reputable laboratory, and presented to anyone.

6. Every characteristic of chemtrails can be just as logically and rationally explained by normal contrails under normal (but differentiating) atmospheric conditions.

Now let's look at those counts in a bit more detail.

(1) The existence of a huge and sinister plot is completely lacking in evidence. The President; Congress; SecDef; Director of the FAA; the entire command structure of the various armed services; every military man or woman who flies, maintains, fuels, and overhauls aircraft; every commercial pilot and crew member; every meteorologist; and every aerospace engineer who builds, sells, modifies, or maintains the entire fleet of worldwide commercial aircraft comprise a group of about half a million people. Every one of them would have to be in on the plot. And in the X number of years that this "chemtrail" stuff has been going on, NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM has come out and said anything about it! What is the chance of a plot that requires the help of a half-million people being secret for more than six milliseconds? Zero.
As a matter of fact, there is no evidence of any sort of plot of any kind by the Bilderbergers, Illuminati, International Zionists, CFR, NWO, the International House of Pancakes, or anyone else.

Is our government corrupt and immoral? I believe so. Is the UN controlled by a bunch of socialist third-world losers with their hands out for the US to feed them and fight their wars for them? I think so, too. But that does NOT mean that they are heading a huge, secret, centuries-old plot to have the Black Helicopters Manned By Crack Bolivian Troops In Blue Berets Haul Us Off To The Secret Concentration Camps In Roachspit, Texas Where We Will Be Forced To Knit UN Flags And Eat Ebola-Burgers. It just means that they're crooks! So what else is new?

(2) The logistics of a massive spraying program. In order to have the massive worldwide spraying that the chemtrail-protagonists talk about would require thousands of aircraft, flying 24/7 shifts, with the additional support infrastructure, a bazillion pilots and ground crew, and the combined efforts of every employee at Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, and even Airbus Industrie. It isn't there.

(3) There is no evidence whatsoever of aircraft modified to perform some of the spraying methodologies that are proposed. The only things I have ever seen on an aircraft that shoot things out (besides the engine exhaust) is the toilet and the fuel dump orifices, often at the wing tip. If the aircraft are squirting chemicals out of the fuel dump nozzles, what's in the fuel tanks? Poisonous chemicals? Huh-uh. (One exception to this is a military version of a civilian aircraft called TACAMO, a Navy variant of the AWACS aircraft. It has these oddball nozzles near the base of the wings. But they're still fuel-dump nozzles; they've merely been moved inboard because the TACAMO has reconnaissance pods at the wingtips, and they don't want to jettison JP-8 over the million-dollar electronics.)

Bear in mind that you don't just strap in a couple of big tanks and poke the nozzles out through the aircraft fuselage. There are VERY stringent engineering details to be worked out regarding structural integrity, movable center of gravity, environmental protection for the crew and poison-loaders, etc. Almost all major mods to an aircraft are done under subsequent contract to the original builder. Since no one at Boeing knows anything about such mods (and I've asked around) this means it either wasn't done, or everyone else (but me) in the company is in on the secret. Huh-uh.

(4) Anecdotal "evidence" of any illnesses caused by contrails is not backed up. One of the hypotheses of "chemtrails" is that they're toxic/infectious/bad juju. Various people report that they came down with flu-like symptoms
after a heavy "spray day". As someone who does a lot of travel (domestic and international), I've flown out of a lot of airports and through a lot of other aircraft's contrails over the past five years.
If the poison-chemtrail hypothesis had any merit, there would be tons of sick passengers crawling off the 0900 shuttle to LAX; I've never seen 'em, nor has anyone I've talked with. If there is some weird residue in the contrails other than water with traces of JP-8, you'd see aircraft taxiing into the concourse with some sort of crud over the leading edges. I've never seen any of that, nor has anyone I've talked with.
One possible explanation for those flu-like symptoms? Flu. There's tons of it going around, and it's been that way since 1918.

(5) There has never been any evidence of anyone collecting some of this "chemtrail" material in situ, having it tested by any reputable laboratory, and presented to anyone. With all the interest in this crud, why hasn't anyone ever flown up to a "chemtrail", sampled some of the stuff, and brought it back to a reputable lab for test and reported on it?

One site purporting to talk about a laboratory testing a sample told how some individual scraped "something" off the side of a house, and sent it to one of the chemtrail protagonists. This individual sent it to a laboratory where he says they reported it had some bacteria in it. But then the individual says the lab "changed its mind" and said there was nothing wrong. Not only that, but our friend said he would not tell us the name of either the lab or the investigator because of ... of... something or other. That sure raises a credibility issue to me! Another researcher says he has the information, but he wants to be "compensated" for all the work he's put in before he tells us his tale. Puh-leez!

If there were just one case of someone with any credibility collecting some of this junk before it falls to the earth and gets worms on it, then sends it to a lab where objective individuals can review it under open conditions and publish their findings, that might lend a bit more credence to the whole chemtrail business. I'm waiting, but I don't think I'll skip dinner.

(6) Every characteristic of chemtrails can be just as logically and rationally explained by normal contrails under normal (but differentiating) atmospheric conditions.

But first, let’s take a minute and discuss what contrails are, anyway.

Contrails happen when the water vapor from the jet’s exhaust freezes into an ice cloud. If the temperature is at or below –40 degrees and the relative humidity is at a hundred percent or greater, then the ice cloud will stay frozen, and even act as a nucleus for other ice clouds to form around. This is why sometimes a contrail will “spread” to form larger clouds. If you have enough aircraft flying and making contrails, and the atmospheric conditions at that altitude are “proper” for contrail formation and persistence, then you can have the entire sky covered with thin clouds.

If the temperature is above minus forty degrees or less than 100% relative humidity, then the ice crystals will sublime (turn back into gas without going through a liquid phase, like dry ice) in about a minute or less and the contrails will disappear.

This increased cloud cover, by the way, can have serious long-term effects, when you think about it. More cloud cover means cooler days (because the clouds block the sunlight coming in during the day) and warmer nights (because the clouds block the heat radiating out into space at night). This “diurnal temperature delta” or the difference between day and night temperatures, could have some long-term effects, because most plants and animals in a particular environment have adapted to a temperature difference of so many degrees. When this figure is left, the plants and animals might not be able to thrive.

So when you put it this way, contrails can have a possible bad effect on the environment. But that’s not what the chemtrail-believers are talking about.

Now to the “weird chemtrails”:

“Dashed” contrails? Sometimes you’ll see contrails that start and stop, just like dashed lines. Some Chemtrail-believers say that such things are “proof” of chemtrails, because the start and stop contrails are the result of the “spray nozzles” getting stuck or something.

Now does it seem kind of odd to you that a powerful gang running secret plot which includes a million people can’t seem to be able to keep a simple on-off nozzle working? Actually, the reasons that you have start-and-stop contrails is because the atmosphere is not constant and smooth; it’s very turbulent (which is why we have clouds and wind). It’s pretty common to have one spot at, say, 35,000 feet where the temperature/humidity is at –40/100%, yet only a quarter mile away, the temperature’s a degree or so higher, or the humidity is a percentage point less. That’s enough to stop the contrail from persisting. And believe me, an aircraft flying at 550 miles per hour covers that quarter mile in just a couple of seconds!

Circular contrails? Often, an airport may be backed up and the air traffic control folks might ‘stack up’ aircraft in a circular holding pattern for a half-hour (or even longer). If that plane’s flying in a circle at the proper temperature/humidity profile, you’ll see circular contrails.

Two “side-by-side” contrails, one that dissipates in a matter of minutes, and the other which persists for hours? The chances are that they’re not side-by-side, but one is a thousand feet or more higher than another. When you’re looking at aircraft at a cruising altitude, you simply can’t tell which aircraft is closer. You have no frame of reference except the sky, and besides six miles high is just too far for us to have any kind of depth perception at all.

“Tic-tac-toe” contrails? No matter where you live in the continental United States, you are probably within view of at least one North-South and one East-West air corridor. So you might be seeing three aircraft on the DFW (Dallas/Fort Worth to LAX (Los Angeles International) corridor and four from Phoenix Sky Harbor to Seattle-Tacoma International corridor. These flights could be five minutes and two thousand feet apart, but if they’re high enough, you’ll see seven lines crossing – just like a tic-tac-toe. (you probably won’t see any X’s or O’s, though).

Conclusion

So why the big deal with "Chemtrails"? I think there're popular on the boards for several reasons.

1. Conspiracies are fun! If you think you know what they're REALLY doing, maybe it makes you feel more powerful and on the "inside". Only the "sheeple" believe all the government lies, where WE know better. You remember the sheeple, of course -- they were those poor fools who believed that Y2K was going to be, at worse, a bump in the road. Shows how dumb they were, right?

2. Most chemtrail conspiracy theorists simply don't know much about things that would help them to disbelieve such hypotheses: stuff like engineering, meteorology, government procurement, military force structure, etc. But most importantly, the most of these individuals simply don't understand how scientific investigation and research works. They confuse opinion with facts, equate hypotheses with theories, do not reason logically, engage in ad hominem arguments, cannot or will not read peer-reviewed journals --- the list goes on and on.

Maybe I shouldn't get so exercised about the whole chemtrail business. In a way, it's like the belief in the Easter Bunny -- it keeps the folks happy; and as long as they don't try to shoot down a "chemtrail" plane, or assassinate or otherwise harass people who disagree with them, they're harmless.

But there are so many important things in the world that I consider a real priority -- Government intrusion into our lives, a nutburg foreign and domestic policy, the chance that a natural disaster may justify all those old Y2K preps, the pollution of our atmosphere and destruction of our environment by hydrocarbon burning -- that I hate to think that well-meaning but naive people on these and other forums are wasting their time on what is no more than a silly and cruel hoax.

 Da nema interneta prljava zavera sa rušenjem kula bi bila zataškana.Loose change je ponudio par tv kuća dokumentarac koji u potpunosti argumentima pokriva celu priču i kritički se osvrće na dešavanja 9/11 ali one to nisu smele da objave.Nakon dosta mrcvarenja ostao je youtube i google video.Da li je to na mestu?Naravno,nije.
  Inženjeri koji su javno tvrdili da je nemoguće da se titanijumsko-čelična struktura prosto otopi a zgrada ruši u slobodnom padu i svi od reda su dobili otkaze u svojim kompanijama i organizacijama.
  9/11 comision je ekipa ljudi koja je "istraživala" ceo slučaj za državu kako bi se smirile uzburkane strasti.Postavljali su preblaga pitanja Djulianiju i drugima(u vezi neizdavanja naredbe o evakuaciji iz tornja sedam koji se srušio da ne verujete-sam od sebe i u kome je poginulo na stotine ljudi!).

 Dakle,o svemu ovome se ne priča,kula 7 je pala jbg,nije joj bio dan,aj pričamo o nečem drugom:"Next question?" a o chemovima posebno postoji totalni mrak. Carnicom,bračni par koji ne prestaje da postavlja pitanja glavonjama iz Pentagona debelo istražuju ovu stvar,imaju i sajt.Tu je mnoštvo dokaza o pojavama boleština na područjima gde je aktivnost bila velika.Takodje se skreće pažnja i konstantno traže odgovori vezani za činjenicu da svi ti tragovi postoje relativno skoro!Deset godina je da kažemo period koliko manje više iz Usa kreću da se šire ove akcije na Evropu i Aziju.U početku kažem,bila je samo Usa,kasnije Engleska,Nemačka.2000-te,za vreme bombardovanja nije bilo operacija iznad Srbije.Nebo je bilo besprekorno.Tamno plavo sa stotine hiljada zvezda uveče.
 Kasne 2001-ve počelo je stidljivo,pa sve više,sa pauzama i sl.dok bi od 2006-te krenuli sa prvim ozbiljnijim ispuštanjima ko zna čega što je dovodilo i dovodi do o(p)stanka na nebu čak i više od tri sata.Tragovi bi se zatim širili i na neki uvrnut način spajali podsećajući na Cyrus tip oblaka.
 Prve reakcije su stigle neznam tačno kad ali sam čuo iz Hrvatske.Emisija:"Na rubu znanosti" koja se bavi paranormalnim i neobičnim pojavama i fenomenima,chemtrailsu je posvetila emisiju.
 Ime Chemtrails nastalo je tako što je nakon jedne masivne operacije chemovanja negde u Usa-ekipa nezavisnih stručnjaka ispitivanjem vazduha,uzoraka sa drveća(čuvena paučina (...) ) i kišnice,otkrila da se u njima nalaze relativno opasni i otrovni sastojci.Ustanovljeno je da su u vazduhu prioni kao i čestice ljudske krvi. Izveštaj sa sve ozbiljnim optužbama i jakim argumentima bio je ignorisan a oni koji bi se usudili da daju izjave mimo zvaničnih u svojim istraživačkim ustanovama,dobijali su otkaze.Kao i masa arheologa koji su otkrivali stvari koje pobijaju neke zvanične tvrdnje o postanku sveta,čovečanstva...itd.

 Dakle,stvari se cenzurišu a ozbiljni ljudi izvrgavaju podsmehu i poruzi.Nijedna zvanična institucija,ponavljam-nijedna u Usa,ne želi da se bavi Chemtrailsima.Ne žele čak ni da govore o tome.

  Toliko o paranoji.
 
 

Ako ste čitali Nostradamusovo proročanstvo, onda već znate između ostalog i da će žuta rasa zavladati svetom. Sledeća smernica je - koliko Kineza već ima na Zemlji, i zašto imaju kontrolu rađanja? Meni je mnogo čudno i to što se u zadnjih nekoliko godina na dalekom istoku otkrivaju novi i mutirani virusi od kojih stanovništvo umire. Zašto baš samo tamo, zašto ne u recimo Južnoj Americi, ili čak u Africi gde, a to već i znamo, su najlošiji uslovi za život?  Prenosioci su razne vrste životinja, ali takve ili slične životinje postoje i na drugim kontinentima pa ne postoje takve pandemije. Iz svega ovoga ja sam izvukla zaključak da ipak postoji organizacija koja ''na crno'' proizvodi viruse i na ovaj način ih ispituje. Ako niste gledali Resident evil, pogledajte ga jer neverujem da je sveu tom filmu fikcija, već da postoji bar zrno istine.



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Re: Chemtrails-neprirodni tragovi aviona na nebu
« Odgovor #207 Danas u 13:34:24 »

A, da se nadovežem na prethodnu poruku, naravno da nijedna zvanična organizacija ne želi da komentariše takve stvari jer je u pitanju ''nacionalna bezbednost'' 




[Edit by lightsoft: Pisanje poruka zaredom je protiv pravila Burek Foruma, jer se na taj nacin narusava tok diskusije, a preglednost i kvalitet teme znacajno smanjuju.]

Kontrolu radjanja u Kini je uvela njihova vlast koja je potpuno korumpirana kao i bilo koja vlast u demokratskim zemljama...virusi se prave da bi desetkovali stanovnistvo,i Afrika je to vec osetila i jos uvek oseca na svojim plecima...sada je na redu i Kina i to je jasno kao dan,a ti planovi datiraju odavno,samo jako malo ljudi je zainteresovano za taj problem,niko ne brine o tudjem dvoristu a to je ono sto ce unistiti ovaj svet.Svi misle da se to dogadja negde drugde i nekome drugome,i dok je tako niko nece reagovati,a kada se to desi i njemu,tada ce biti kasno za reakciju....eto,tako to funkcionise u danasnjem svetu,a korporacije zaradjuju na svemu tome i to je sustina problema

Najveće zlo je u tome što od toga ne profitiraju razne organizacije već sama drzava, i to nije paranoja jer i ljudi kojima je to postalo jasno, i dalje žive svaki dan kao i svaki drugi, ustaju, idu na posao, duže se i uživaju u životu koji im je dat.

Ali,kako već nije pomrlo dosta ljudi od tih chemtrailsa,avion postoji od 1901. i mislim da je ubrzo pošto je izmišljen dobio chemtrailse,do sada nisam znao da su toliko opasni,meni su bili zabavni kad ih gledam,ko zna,možda stvarno ubijaju ljude i zagađuju životnu sredinu

Pa ne ostavljaju svi avioni trag koji je pun virusa, ne verujem da za sada postoji takav plan za Evropu i Balkan jer nismo zemlje trećeg sveta