prvo pitanje sta je listopad 
drugo pitanje zar neko stvarno misli da ovo ima bilo kakvog znacaja 

bilo na religijskom

a koliko vidim protiv ujedinjenja crkve su isključivo oni koji uopće nisu vjernici, niti idu u crkvu i ko zna u što vjeruju

jer ako su naše i vaše duhovne vođe za ujedinjenje i ako svi priznaju da je to jedna crkva koja se razvila u više ogranaka nije mi jasno koji se kurac vi nazovi "vjernici" onda protivite?

kako si možete uzeti za pravo da ste po tom pitanju pametniji i od pape i od patrijaha?

ps. samo čekam da netko spomene jasenovac!

Sam si ga spomenuo. 

Inače papa je jedan od patrijarha. Patrijarsi su duhovni vođe, naslednici apostola.

da i???

šta si htjela reći? da bi pristali na ujedinjenje da se papa zove patrijah? pa evo neka se zove, šta vam još treba?

Алозјије Степинац !!!

ја лепо рекох да су католици одступили од православља а не обрнуто!
Но, као што рекох, Руска православна црква која је најбитнија у целом православном свету не признаје Вартоломејов примат па га исто тако не признаје ни Бугарска, Српска,Румунска ,Грчка православна црква, што се великог дела (90%) православног света тиче - то што је потписао Вартоломеј не значи ама баш ништа!!!
Мада ће то искористити непризнате православне цркве: македонска, црногорска и естонска као пут до сопственог признања!
Као што су украјинци урадили одавно!

Да нас оставите једном више на миру!Она је хтела да каже да је папа ионако и овако патријарх ,али у католичком свету!

Sam se sa sobom svađaš evidentni? Prvo tražiš da neko pomene Jasenovac a sam ga podmećeš u razgovor. Onda odvajaš papu i patrijarhe, on je jedan od, nije ništa značajniji i nije nadređen, nepogrešiv, ne piše nebeske zakone. Znači nije dovoljno da on nešto hoće, treba to što hoće i da uskladi sa svetom. Ne može da proglasi pravoslavne narode za teritorije gde treba misionariti.

Question: I've heard that the Pope  John Paul II is striving very hard to make possible the re-unification of the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church/es. What is the latest Orthodox perspective on this? I've also heard that most issues if not all have been resolved. What then is keeping the disunity to be prolonged?

Answer: There have been many discussions between the Orthodox and Roman Churches on the subject of ecumenical unity over the years, yet, in actual fact, we are no closer to full Communion.

You state that Pope John Paul II is striving hard to achieve full union with the Orthodox. Apart from trips to Orthodox countries and other goodwill gestures, however, there has been little movement from Rome on the issues if faith which the Orthodox Church simply will not compromise on.

One such issue is, of course, the "And the Son" or "Filioque" addition to the Nicene Creed. While Western Christians may not consider this a serious issue, it is so, in fact. For the Orthodox Church, there are two issues at stake: 1) a false doctrine concerning the procession of the Holy Spirit and, 2) the illegality of placing into the Universal Creed a change by one Church without the agreement (by way of Ecumenical Council) of all Churches.

These issues are discussed on other pages of this site.

Now, Roman Catholic theologians have agreed that the Filioque should be removed from the Creed. Archbishop Vsevolod of Scoupelos, an active participant in ecumenical discussions, has stated that he feels the Pope is close to suppressing the Filioque throughout the entire Roman Church. The Roman Catholic Church of Greece has already suppressed it with no "ill effects" for its communicants. Whenever the Pope says Mass in Greek, he does not use the "Filioque."

But apart from the removal of the phrase from the Creed, there is the issue of the doctrine underlying it. The West should acknowledge that the Spirit proceeds eternally from the Father alone and that, as the Fathers said, the Spirit's Procession is, in and of itself, sufficient to distingish the Spirit from the Eternally and Only-Begotten Son. St Maximus the Confessor and St John Damaskos also said the Spirit proceeds from the Father THROUGH the Son and Thomas Aquinas affirmed that this latter view is entirely agreeable to the West.

As John Meyendorff (With the Saints give rest, O Lord!) states in his discussion on the Council of Florence in the fifteenth century, unity could have been achieved between East and West by the removal of the Filioque by Rome from its Creed and an agreement on the phrase, "The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father through the Son." But such unity did not happen.

Not only cultural and political factors came into play - there is still a real theological disagreement underlining the issue.

There are about 25 major and minor differences between the Roman and Orthodox Churches. However, I believe the greatest stumbling block for unity is the doctrine of the Church itself as held by both sides, or their respective "ecclesiologies."

The Roman Catholic side sees the Church as a monolith, based on the Successor of Peter alone. The Bishops throughout the world govern the Church in the Pope's name. They receive the Pallium, the symbol of their Episcopal Authority, from the Pope directly. The world is, in effect, the diocese of the Pope who governs the Church from a highly centralized organization, the Vatican.

The Orthodox Church sees all her Bishops as Successors of Peter and the Apostles. The Orthodox Catholic Church is the "Whole contained in the Part," or the Eucharistic view of the Church. This means that wherever there is a Bishop governing his flock and nourishing it with the Apostolic Faith, the prayers, and the Breaking of the Bread, there is the Church. The Bishop is in Communion with all other Orthodox Catholic Bishops and Patriarchs throughout the world. Patriarchs are "Firsts among Equals." The Head of the Church is Christ alone, period. The Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople is a Bishop, the First among Equals, as the Roman Pope once was before 1054. But Christ alone is the Head of His Church which is His Body.

This view has led the Orthodox Church to a collegial understanding of the Episcopate, rather than the Roman monolith.

Apart from any theological agreements between West and East, Roman Catholics, not just the Pope, must understand that full Church union will never mean that the Orthodox Church will somehow come "under" the Pope's jurisdictional rule. It is not simply a question of, "O.K., we've reached agreement on these points of doctrine, what' s keeping you from coming over to us?"

Only when Rome returns fully to the Apostolic Faith and Ecclesiology of the first thousand years can there be hope of full unity. This means that the Pope of Rome, once again, becomes "First among Equals" throughout the entire Church, with the Patriarch of Constantinople, First among Equals in the East and, in our case, the Patriarch of Kyiv the First among Equals in the Church of Rus'-Ukraine. Jurisdiction can be exercised by the individual Patriarchs and Metropolitans within their own areas, but one Patriarch cannot override another. Rome may also be a "Court of final appeal" as it was ideally in the first thousand years of Christianity.

Rome has come along way in its understanding of the Orthodox Church. There should be no question about that. But simple doctrinal "adjustments" and symbolic actions here and there will not make for true Communion between the Churches.

Unity between the Churches will come about only in God's way, not in our way. The more open we are to Christ and His Holy Spirit, however, the closer that day will come, to the Glory of God the Father!

Meni stvarno nije jasno zasto se o tom prica u negativnom kontekstu.....Pa kako u vremenu rasparcavanja i ratova jedno ujedinjenje moze biti lose....?????

зато што се подмеће кукавичје јаје, ево појаснио сам у горњем тексту како ставрно изгледа то "уједињење", дакле нема везе о унијаћењу православља , већ о тешњој сарадњи истока и запада (цркве), папа ће бити признат као први међу једнакима али неће имати никакву праву јурисдикцију над патријарсима као што има над кардиналима! Папа ће бити нека врста неутралног судије у случају спорова али без обавезе да се његове одлуке прихвате, дакле у виду препоруке, ови наслови су пренадувани, није то право уједињење!Али на нашу жалост неко то вешто користи у својој политичкој пропаганди!И ја сам био збуњен али сад ми је јасније!