kolko znam izgleda mogu. Secam se kad je jedna podmornica uplovljavala u sredozemno more morali su Rusi to da najave kao i to da je morala da plovi povrsinom. To je deo Turske kao clanice NATO-a, a strateski kontrolise vrata Vrnog Mora.

.(naravno,uz malo kinte,Ameri nisu imali takve probleme kada su donosili "humanitarnu pomoc" i placenike u GRuziju na razaracima...)

Over 40% of Defense Ministry funds go to Navy - Russia's Ivanov
03/06/200915:11

MOSCOW, June 3 (RIA Novosti) - More than 40% of the Russian Defense Ministry budget is spent on the Navy, particularly on the development of strategic nuclear forces, a deputy prime minister said on Wednesday.

"This money is mainly directed to strategic submarines. This is hundreds of billions of rubles," Sergei Ivanov said in an interview with RIA Novosti.

Russia is currently building several Borey class strategic nuclear submarines and a fourth-generation Graney class nuclear-powered attack submarine. The tests of a new sea-based Bulava ballistic missile are also underway.

The Borey class submarines will be deployed with Russia's Northern and Pacific fleets, Ivanov said.

Three submarines of this class, the Yury Dolgoruky, the Alexander Nevsky and the Vladimir Monomakh, are being built at the Sevmash shipyard in northern Russia, and the construction of a fourth sub is in pipeline.

"Upon completion, the submarines will be deployed both with the Northern and Pacific fleets, which will require $1 billion investment to create the appropriate coastal infrastructure," Ivanov said.

Sevmash has said that two of the submarines were due to be completed in 2009 and 2011.

A Borey class vessel is 170 meters (580 feet) long, has a hull diameter of 13 meters (42 feet), a crew of 107, including 55 officers, maximum depth of 450 meters (about 1,500 feet) and a submerged speed of about 29 knots. It can carry up to 16 ballistic missiles and torpedoes.

Ivanov said the Bulava sea-based ballistic missiles will be adopted by Russia's Navy only jointly with its delivery platform - the Yury Dolgoruky nuclear submarine.

The Bulava-M (SS-NX-30) ICBM carries up to 10 nuclear warheads and has a range of 8,000 kilometers (5,000 miles). The three-stage ballistic missile is designed for deployment on Borey class submarines.

The Russian Navy is planning to conduct at least five test launches of the Bulava missile in 2009.

Ivanov earlier said that Russia's 2009 state defense budget had not been reduced despite the global financial crisis.

"It totals 1.3 trillion rubles [$42.5 bln] for all security-related agencies rather than only the Defense Ministry in 2009," Ivanov told journalists on Tuesday.

As much as 592 billion rubles ($19.3 bln) from this sum are to be spent specifically for purchasing weapons and military hardware, he added.

Pa Ukrajincima je taj nosac potreban ko i Crnog Gori pola flote JNA, tj. nemaju neku potrebu i na kraju nemaju para ni da ga zavrse pa jos i odrzavaju.

Uz to ne treba da se zaboravi da Ukrajinci dosta te  tehnologije i nemaju za opremanje nosaca aviona.

A za brod te velicine pa jos bez pogona je jako zeznuto da prolazi sueckim kanalom jer manja greska (udar u branu) bi prouzrocio visemesecnu blokadu to prolaza, na kraju krajeva, to nijedno osiguranje ne bi prihvatilo da preuzme na sebe.

Postoji ugovor izmedju NATO i Rusije o broju plovila, tacnije o ukupnoj tonazi koju NATO sme da ima u Crnom Moru, i ta tonaza je prvi put za vreme rata u Gruziji dostignuta, pre toga NATO, tacnije americki brodovi nisu ni zalazili u Crno more u vecem broju.

@Papalu

Сигурно је да су главе унапређене на Булави али окрени обрни увек је боље имати ракету која може да понесе већу масу јер се на њу увек могу монтирати унапређене главе али у већем броју.

1.Nije bas tako.Ukrajinci mozda nemaju SVE,al zato Rusi imaju.

pa,dobro,to se slazem...ja sam rekao da mi je malo glupo,jer ipak je to izuzetan dogadjaj,jednom u 20 godina,a koji usput prati nekoliko mornarica i vlada...al,dobro,kao sto rekoh,drago mi je sto su im nisu dali,pa su se mucili s njim okolo naokolo...

1.da,ali mislim da samim nagomilavanjem NATO mornarice u nekim podrucjima je prekrseno nekoliko regulativa,koje nemaju veze sa Bosforskim regulativama...
2.svejedno nisu imale pravo da prodju,jer se zna da su ti brodovi nosili oruzja i ponekad-placenike,a to se vodilo kao humanitarna pomoc,znaci,to je krsenje pravila...

To je zasigurno da su prevozili i malo bum bum tehnike, al nisu povredili teritorijalne vode Rusije nit presli limit (nisam znao da postoji tako nesto)

Izgleda da je neko od Rusa i Ukrajinaca dobro ipak izracuno da im se u Crnom Moru ne isplati nosac aviona (u nekom sukobu zeznuto ga je sakriti a prilicno je velika meta, dok citavo more se moze pokrivati sa kopna. Licno mislim da je namena tog nosaca aviona bila da se u slucaju sukoba sa NATO-m probiju u sredozemlje i tek tu dobija nosac aviona na znacaju jer VU nije imao aerodroma kojim bi pokrivao sredozemlje.

Uostalom, prodato je samo korito, bez icega ostalog sto cini nosac a Kinezi imaju izgleda ozbiljne poteskoce sa pogonskim grupama (nuklearni reaktor i turbina, treba znati kako se pravi to cudo a na kraju treba to i napraviti, uz to da nije na kopnu pa da se pravi kombinovano olovno-betonski omotac), uz to ide oruzje, elektronika, i najvaznije, avioni.

Al Rusi su isto prodali svoj Shatl "Buran" koji sada stoji u nekom muzeju u Nemackoj a leteo je samo dva puta, sta znaci bezparica