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A menadžer za higijenu je i dalje Baba Sera.
Možeš ti bilo kom poslu da naljepiš titulu menadžer ako ti je tako lakše da ga radiš.
Problem imaš kada se ljudi plaćaju po diplomi, a ne po poslu koji obavljaju.
I obrnuto kad imaš pogrešno definisana radna mjesta pa se za posao baba sere traži neko sa faksom i znanjem 2 strana jezika, a šef računovodstva nekog ministarstva može da ima srednju školu ili da ti direktor škole bude po zanimanju bravar, a da ti pekar vodi pozorište i sl.

Znam čoveka koji je bio neki k...c kad je zavarivanje u pitanju. Završio čovjek sve škole od zanata do fakulteta i sve specijalizacije pride. I cijeli život vodio rat i sa majstorima i sa ekonomistima. Koji ti je to k...c "tehnolog" ili  "specijalista" zavarivanja. Majstor VKV radi i šta tu ima da se misli. A to što će za 5 godina zbog specifičnosti materijala ili načina na koji se varilo to nešto npr. most da ti se sruči u rijeku to nema veze. Tako se uvijek radilo.
To sto se materijali mjenjaju, to sto se tehnologije mjenjaju, to sto se uslovi rada mjenjaju nema veze - zna Pera kako treba, on vari vec 20 godina ti ces njega uciti.

To što ti nešto zvuči čudno ili nerazumljivo ne znači da je i beskorisno.
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10. Ireland
> Pct. population with tertiary education: 37%
> Average annual growth rate (2000-2010): 7.3% (the highest)
> GDP per capita: $40,478 (7th highest)

 

From 2000 through 2010, the percentage of people with a college education or more in Ireland nearly doubled, rising at an annual average of 7.3% — faster than any country in the study. High school graduation rates also rose during that time, from 74% to 94%. Education has become especially critical for male job seekers in Ireland’s workforce, as 6.3% of men with a tertiary education were unemployed in 2010 versus 15.2% for all men nationwide.

9. Australia
> Pct. population with tertiary education: 38%
> Average annual growth rate (2000-2010): 3.2% (12th lowest)
> GDP per capita: $40,790 (6th highest)

Australia is a preferred destination for many international students, which is why it should come as no surprise that they accounted for 21.2% of the country’s tertiary students in 2010, higher than every country other than Luxembourg. Finding a job in the country is not especially hard for those with a college degree. The country had an unemployment rate of just 2.8% in 2010 for workers with a tertiary degree, compared to a rate of just 5.2% for all workers.

8. Finland
> Pct. population with tertiary education: 38%
> Average annual growth rate (2000-2010): 1.8% (4th lowest)
> GDP per capita: $36,307 (14th highest)

Finland spent 6.4% of its gross domestic product on education in 2009, with 97.6% of these funds coming from public sources, more than any country in the report. Between 2000 and 2010, high school graduation rates rose by just two percentage points, while the number of people with a college education or more rose by just six percentage points. As a result, Finland fell from fourth to eighth place among the world’s most educated countries. Finnish workers with a tertiary education were far more likely to be employed than those without such an education — the unemployment rate was 4.4% for residents with a degree and 8.4% for those without.

7. United Kingdom
> Pct. population with tertiary education: 38%
> Average annual growth rate: 4.0% (10th highest)
> GDP per capita: $35,756 (15th highest)

Between 2000 and 2010, the percentage of U.K. residents with a tertiary education rose 12 percentage points. The country’s universities are also popular among students from other nations. International students make up 16% of enrollment. The country recently has had a shift in how education is financed. While in 2000 the percentage of funds from private sources was 14.8%, it rose to 31.1% by 2009. Students also must cover more of the cost of higher education than in the past, as the cap on tuition fees was raised from 3,290 pounds to 9,000 pounds for the 2012-2013 year.

6. South Korea
> Pct. population with tertiary education: 40%
> Average annual growth rate (2000-2010): 5.2% (6th highest)
> GDP per capita: $28,797 (16th lowest)

Between 2000 and 2010, the percentage of South Koreans with a college education or more rose from 24% to 40%. In addition to being well-educated, many residents also invested considerable amounts towards their schooling. In 2009, only Iceland spent more than South Korea’s 8% of GDP. That year, no country in the study contributed more private funds for education at all levels than South Korea, at 3.1% of GDP, or for tertiary education, at 1.9%. Despite the investment, education does not appear to have a measurable impact on job seekers. The unemployment rate in 2010 for those with a tertiary degree was 3.3% — low relative to the OECD average of 4.7%, but not much lower than the 3.7% rate for all workers in the country.


5. New Zealand
> Pct. population with tertiary education: 41%
> Average annual growth rate (2000-2010): 3.5% (13th highest)
> GDP per capita: $29,711 (17th lowest)

 

The tiny country’s population has grown 13.2% between 2000 and 2010, as has the country’s education system. The number of people with a college or college equivalent education rose from 29% to 41% over the period. The country also has become a destination of choice for international students, who made up 14.2% of tertiary students in 2010. New Zealand is also a leader in educating scientists, with 16% of students choosing a science for their field of study at the tertiary level — the highest proportion of any country.

4. United States
> Pct. population with tertiary education: 42%
> Average annual growth rate (2000-2010): 1.3% (2nd lowest)
> GDP per capita: $46,548 (4th highest)

Although the U.S. is one of just a few nations where more than 40% of people had a tertiary education in 2010, its education system is not without problems. Among the concerns, the graduation rate for upper secondary students in 2010 was 77%, well below the average rate of 84% for the OECD. Even though graduation rates were relatively low, the U.S. is one of the biggest spenders on education, with related expenditures equaling 7.3% of GDP in 2009. The U.S. was also the world’s largest spender on tertiary education in 2009, at 2.6% of GDP. The majority of funds for higher education, totaling 1.6% of GDP, came from private sources.

3. Japan
> Pct. population with tertiary education: 45%
> Average annual growth rate (2000-2010): 2.9%  (10th lowest)
> GDP per capita: $33,785 (18th highest)

In 2009, Japan spent 1.6% of GDP on college or college equivalent education, on par with the OECD’s average, and just 5.2% of GDP on education overall, well below the OECD’s 6.3% average. Despite its relatively light spending, the country still had a high school graduation rate of 96%, the second best among all nations in 2010, while the percentage of its population with a tertiary education was 14 percentage points higher than the OECD’s average. However, according to The Wall Street Journal, recent university graduates in Japan have struggled to find work, with 15% those graduating in the spring of 2012 neither employed nor enrolled in further education as of August.

2. Israel
> Pct. population with tertiary education: 46%
> Average annual growth rate (2000-2010): N/A
> GDP per capita: $26,531 (13th lowest)

Israel only joined the OECD in 2010. That year, its GDP per capita was more than $7,000 below the OECD’s average. Despite this, the country’s high school graduation rate was 92% in 2010, well above the OECD’s 84% average. Some 46% of residents had a tertiary education, versus 31% for the OECD. Israel spent 7.2% of GDP on educational institutions in 2009, the sixth most among all nations. And for the first time, preschool education will become free in 2012 even for children as young as three years old, Haaretz newspaper reported. This should benefit Israel as, according to the OECD, “early childhood education is associated with better performance later on in school.”

1. Canada
> Pct. population with tertiary education: 51%
> Average annual growth rate (2000-2010): 2.4% (5th lowest)
> GDP per capita: $39,050 (11th highest)

Canada is the only nation where more than half of all adults had a tertiary education in 2010. This was up from 40% of the adult population in 2000, when the country also ranked as the world’s most educated. Canada has managed to become a world leader in education without being a leader in education spending, which totaled just 6.1% of GDP in 2009, or less than the 6.3% average for the OECD. A large amount of its spending went towards tertiary education, on which the country spent 2.5% of GDP, trailing only the United States and South Korea. One of the few areas Canada did not perform well in was attracting international students, who made up just 6.6% of all tertiary students — lower than the OECD’s 8% average.


Odlicno, fenomenalno...

Samo...

Samo sto u svim tim zemljama visoko obrazovani kadar je spreman da zbog posla menja lokaciju...

Znaci.. nema mama, tata, devojka, decko, strina, prijatelji, pas, rodbina me drze u tom i tom mestu, vec je vise Meri, pakuj klince i kucice idemo u Vajoming... ako se ukaze bojli posao i\ili nema posla, spremni su da se presele gde god da je potrebno.. u Americi ili u neku zemlju treceg sveta...

Oni koji ne pristaju na to, mogu komotno da nabiju svoju diplomu prestiznog koledza u dupe i rade kao sankeri u NY jer je sve ostalo ispod njihovog statusa...

E, to je kapitalizam...

I socijalizam...

No, medjutim... u Srbiji se svi naguraju u univerzitetske centre i ne zele da ih napuste, delom iz jednog krajnje legitimnog razloga sto posla nema van njih.

A posla nema jer a) drzava nema intres da razvija provinciju jer drzavni aparta cine ljudi koji su takodje pobegli iz provincije i malo ih ziga pomisao na rodni kraj i adresu iz krstenice; b) lokalni politicari nemaju interesa da razvijaju provinciju jer to znaci da bi se otkrile sve njihove kradje i morali bi da rade, pa im je cilj da se uvale na 4 godine i na kradu koliko moze, a narod pati od amnezije i iznova glasa za iste.

Jedino oni koji nisu visoko obrazovani u ovoj zemlji menjaju mesto stanovanja.

I na kraju - provincija nije ruzna rec. Ako vas vredja, teski ste kompleksasi iz stavke - a)
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To sto se materijali mjenjaju, to sto se tehnologije mjenjaju, to sto se uslovi rada mjenjaju nema veze - zna Pera kako treba, on vari vec 20 godina

Pera kad bi vario kako treba, ostao bi bez posla. Tako da mu se i isplati da bude neuk.  Smile

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Hiper produkcija "inzenjera" za menadzment je uslovila i "ozakonila" idiotska radna mesta kako u drzavnim, tako i u privatnim firmama.

Mislim da su stvari išle u suprotnom smeru.
Prvo su državnici (a isto tako i privatnici) da bi zaposlili bližu i dalju familiju izmišljali radna mesta i tako familija prima pare a da ne mora zapravo ništa da radi. Pa su se potom ta mesta ozvaničila, a zatim je raja ko raja čula da tamo negde ima neki menadžeri koji voze audi a ne rade niš' pa su odlučili da pošalju svoje sinove u škole koje bi ih osposobile za ta radna mesta. I naravno na kraju je štancovana gomila ljudi koja je kvalifikovana za sva ta radna mesta ali nije obaveštena kako se zapravo taj posao dobija.
The end.

Nema viska obrazovanih, ima manjka posla i to mnogo manjka.

Posla ima do guše, ali ljudi su neupotrebljivi.  Smile
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Znam čoveka koji je bio neki k...c kad je zavarivanje u pitanju. Završio čovjek sve škole od zanata do fakulteta i sve specijalizacije pride. I cijeli život vodio rat i sa majstorima i sa ekonomistima. Koji ti je to k...c "tehnolog" ili  "specijalista" zavarivanja. Majstor VKV radi i šta tu ima da se misli. A to što će za 5 godina zbog specifičnosti materijala ili načina na koji se varilo to nešto npr. most da ti se sruči u rijeku to nema veze. Tako se uvijek radilo.
To sto se materijali mjenjaju, to sto se tehnologije mjenjaju, to sto se uslovi rada mjenjaju nema veze - zna Pera kako treba, on vari vec 20 godina ti ces njega uciti.

To što ti nešto zvuči čudno ili nerazumljivo ne znači da je i beskorisno.

Ako je zavrsio fakultet i kurs za evropskog inzenjera zavarivanja onda kolega nema problema prilikom zaposljavanja, moze vrlo lako svoje uhlebljenje naci bilo gde u evropi.


Sto se tice specificnosti materijala, pa i ti majstori znaju specificnosti materijala nije inzenjer Bogom dan pa da zna sve, u globalu postoje programi koji mnogo pomazu prilikom izracunavanja svega i svacega. Inzenjer je tu najbitniji kada se radi nesto novo (mada je toga vrlo malo danas) a posebno je bitan kada se radi kontrola kvaliteta zavarenih spojeva. I hrana se vari metali se zavaruju.

I ne postoji zrenjeninski univerzitet.  Smile
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У овој земљи постоје можда 3 озбиљне фирме. Све остало је настало пресипањем из шупљег у празно, везарењем код политичара, махинацијама и слично. А то се односи и на стране фирме и власнике истих које су у Србији присутне.
У таквој ситуацији, школовати и 5 инжењера годишње је превише. Шта они ког ђавола има да раде у земљи (осим што ће да побегну преко) у којој се ни чачкалице више не производе? Може овде да се нађе квалитетна радна снага без проблема, ако вам је потребна. Али гле чуда, ништа се не ради... Да не помињем све лекаре, хемичаре, биологе и слично...

Зато ћемо и  завршити као Авганистан или Централноафричка републикА Smile
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Pa ti onda nisi Srbin...
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