Ne radi se o žilotima već nekoj bliskoistinoj sekti koja postoji 2000 godina. Čitao sam nešto o njima, ali zaboravio kako se tačno zovu. Uglavnom nekad su bili brojni ali kasnije gube na značaju. Danas ih nije puno ostalo.

Mislite na Esene ?

Tebi nije jasno sta rec verovanje definise sto daje tvoje neshvatanje da neko moze biti bez mogucnosti verovanja.
Postoji samo ono sto ima molekularni sastav, oblik i formu.
"Vreme" i "prostor" su termini koji se daju necemu sto vec ima molekularni sastav, oblik i formu.
Sat je mehanizam koji je napravio covek i koji sluzi za merenje pokreta koje nema nikakve veze sa necim sto
je izmisljeno kao "vreme".
Nemam nameru da stajem na put tvojoj ubedjenosti da "vreme" postoji.
Materijalna dimenzija koja ima oblik i formu je dokaz postojanja forme i oblika te materijalne dimenzije.
Iluzija je tvrdnja da je necije znanje prica koju ta ili bilo koja druga osoba nije dozivela niti ce je ikada doziveti.
Ono sto se desavalo pre 150 i vise godina niko nije doziveo niti ce doziveti.
Iluziju da covek ne moze da zivi bez znanja o nakakvoj "atomskoj skali" ostavljam tebi i onima koji su tom iluzijom konzumirani.
Ne uvlacim nikoga nigde i pricam samo ono sto jeste i tvoje emotivni stav laznim predstavljanjem to nece promeniti.
Dusa i duh nisu religiozni termini, oni predstavljaju ono sto zdrav razum prepoznaje.
Religiozni termini se odnose na sve sto ne postoji u materiji.
Dusa je osecaj prisutnosti zivog bica i sva ziva bica su dokaz postojanja tog osecaja prisutnosti sve dok ga ne prekine to sto nazivamo "smrt duse". Duh je rec i dokaz prepoznavanja te infrormacije su ljudi koji se njome sluze kroz sve sto vide, kazu i urade.
Ekstraordinarno lupetanje o necemu sto samnom blage veze nema.
Sve si izmislio i sam sebi protivrecis.
Ni u cemu se ti i ja ne slazemo, to sto sam rekao o religiji nema blage veze sa onim sto ti o religiji govoris.
Definicija Boga je napisana u bibliji i nije prihvacena, prihvacena je izmisljotina/iluzija o Bogu.
"Bolje razumevanje" se ne nalazi u ljudima koji zive i umiru kao i oni za koje se tvrdilo da nisu imali dobro razumevanje.
To sto ti sebe zelis da izdizes iznad drugih se ne naziva "boljim razumevanjem".
Upravo dokaz da se od istih elemenata koji se nalaze nalazi svuda objasnjava da zivot koji se ne nalazi u sklopovima svih elemenata nije posledica zakona koji deluje na sve elemente nego zakona koji covek ne moze da shvati.
Covekovom mozgu je tesko da prihvati da je zivot - oduvekpostojeci, zbog licnog iskustva koje mu stvara iluziju da je "sve imalo pocetak".
A istinu da "sve sto ima pocetak ima i kraj" jedino ne zeli da aplikuje na bajke o "nesto iz nista" i "zivot iz smrti".
Ti si ubedjen naucnofundamentalisticke bajke kojima si ti konzumiran nemaju kraj.

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Kako si dosao do ovih zakljucaka ?

eseni su doista skladistili pergamente iz kumrana i time se dokazalo da Bibliju nije pisao neko sklop ljudi juce u katolickoj ili protestantskoj reziji vec je proverom isaijinog prorostva iz kumrana pokazano da je Biblija originalna i danas kaka je bila. slava Bogu.

Pazljivim posmatranjem, temeljnom istragom i koristeci reci koje precizno predstavljaju racionalnost zakljucaka.

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citiram te

"Definicija Boga je napisana u bibliji i nije prihvacena, prihvacena je izmisljotina/iluzija o Bogu."

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Bog nije ono sto ti mislis da jeste .

Ti pricas o biblijskom Bogu,
Koja je to definicija boga koja nije prihvacena ? Koja je to Iluzija o Bogu?

Ti se naravno pozivas se na bibliju kao neprikosnoveni izvor istine .
Mislio sam da to moze da uradi samo neko ko veruje u nju i ko veruje u reci koje su napisane tamo ,
Zasto mislis da te ne cini vernikom. Da nisi vernik ,onda bi uzimao sve to sa malo vise rezerve .

Ima mnogo lepih napisanih dela iz starih vremena ,Isusu je bio poznat ovaj tekst ispod jer je u doba njegovog zivota vec bio oko 200 -300 godina star .Od cetri knjige od kojih se ovaj rad sastoji samo je oko 100 fraza uzeto iz prve knjige i stavljeno u novi testament . Crkva je potisnula i pokusala da unisti ostale .

Enoch encounter with the two angels of God

1.There was a wise man, a great artificer, and the Lord conceived love for him and received him, that he should behold the uppermost dwellings and be an eye-witness of the wise and great and inconceivable and immutable realm of God Almighty, of the very wonderful and glorious and bright and many-eyed station of the Lord’s servants, and of the inaccessible throne of the Lord, and of the degrees and manifestations of the incorporeal hosts, and of the ineffable ministration of the multitude of the elements, and of the various apparition and inexpressible singing of the host of Cherubim, and of the boundless light.

2.At that time, he said, when my one hundred and sixty-fifth year was completed, I begat my son Mathusal.

3.After this too I lived two hundred years and completed of all the years of my life three hundred and sixty-five years.

4.On the first day of the month I was in my house alone and was resting on my bed and slept.

5.And when I was asleep, great distress came up into my heart, and I was weeping with my eyes in sleep, and I could not understand what this distress was, or what would happen to me.

6.And there appeared to me two men, exceeding big, so that I never saw such on earth; their faces were shining like the sun, their eyes too were like a burning light, and from their lips was fire coming forth with clothing and singing of various kinds in appearance purple, their wings were brighter than gold, their hands whiter than snow.

7.They were standing at the head of my bed and began to call me by my name.

8.And I arose from my sleep and saw clearly those two men standing in front of me.

9.And I saluted them and was seized with fear and the appearance of my face was changed from terror, and those men said to me:

10.Have courage, Enoch, do not fear; the eternal God sent us to you, and lo! You shalt to-day ascend with us into heaven, and you shall tell your sons and all your household all that they shall do without you on earth in your house, and let no one seek you till the Lord return you to them.

11.And I made haste to obey them and went out from my house, and made to the doors, as it was ordered me, and summoned my sons Mathusal and Regim and Gaidad and made known to them all the marvels those men had told me.
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Chapter 2

The instruction of Enoch to his sons

1.Listen to me, my children, I know not whither I go, or what will befall me; now therefore, my children, I tell you: turn not from God before the face of the vain, who made not Heaven and earth, for these shall perish and those who worship them, and may the Lord make confident your hearts in the fear of him. And now, my children, let no one think to seek me, until the Lord return me to you.
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Chapter 3

Of Enoch's assumption; how the angels took him into the first heaven

1.It came to pass, when Enoch had told his sons, that the angels took him on to their wings and bore him up on to the first heaven and placed him on the clouds. And there I looked, and again I looked higher, and saw the ether, and they placed me on the first heaven and showed me a very great Sea, greater than the earthly sea.

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Chapter 4

Of the angels ruling the stars

1.They brought before my face the elders and rulers of the stellar orders, and showed me two hundred angels, who rule the stars and their services to the heavens, and fly with their wings and come round all those who sail.
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Chapter 5

Of how the angels keep the store-houses of the snow

1.And here I looked down and saw the treasure-houses of the snow, and the angels who keep their terrible store-houses, and the clouds whence they come out and into which they go.

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Chapter 6

Of the dew and of the olive-oil, and various flowers

1They showed me the treasure-house of the dew, like oil of the olive, and the appearance of its form, as of all the flowers of the earth; further many angels guarding the treasure-houses of these things, and how they are made to shut and open.

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Chapter 7



Of how Enoch was taken on to the second heaven

1.And those men took me and led me up on to the second heaven, and showed me darkness, greater than earthly darkness, and there I saw prisoners hanging, watched, awaiting the great and boundless judgment, and these angels were dark-looking, more than earthly darkness, and incessantly making weeping through all hours.

2.And I said to the men who were with me: Wherefore are these incessantly tortured? They answered me: These are God’s apostates, who obeyed not God’s commands, but took counsel with their own will, and turned away with their prince, who also is fastened on the fifth heaven.

3.And I felt great pity for them, and they saluted me, and said to me: Man of God, pray for us to the Lord; and I answered to them: Who am I, a mortal man, that I should pray for angels? Who knows whither I go, or what will befall me? Or who will pray for me?


Chapter 24

Words directly from God ,

Of the great secrets of God, which God revealed and told Enoch, and spoke with him face to face

1.And the Lord summoned me, and said to me: Enoch, sit down on my left with Gabriel.

2.And I bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord spoke to me: Enoch, beloved, all that you see, all things that are standing finished I tell to you even before the very beginning, all that I created from non-being, and visible things from invisible.

3.Hear, Enoch, and take in these my words, for not to My angels have I told my secret, and I have not told them their rise, nor my endless realm, nor have they understood my creating, which I tell you to-day.

4.For before all things were visible, I alone used to go about in the invisible things, like the sun from east to west, and from west to east.

5.But even the sun has peace in itself, while I found no peace, because I was creating all things, and I conceived the thought of placing foundations, and of creating visible creation.

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Chapter 25

God relates to Enoch, how out of the very deepest parts came forth the visible and invisible

1.I commanded in the very lowest parts, that visible things should come down from invisible, and Adoil (7) came down very great, and I beheld him, and lo! He had a belly of great light.

(7) Adoil. Or, "Light of creation."

2.And I said to him: Become undone, Adoil, and let the visible come out of you.

3.And he came undone, and a great light came out. And I was in the midst of the great light, and as there is born light from light, there came forth a great age, and showed all creation, which I had thought to create.

4.And I saw that it was good.

5.And I placed for myself a throne, and took my seat on it, and said to the light: Go thence up higher and fix yourself high above the throne, and be a foundation to the highest things.

6.And above the light there is nothing else, and then I bent up and looked up from my throne.

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Chapter 26

God summons from the very deepest a second time that Archas, heavy and very red should come forth

1.And I summoned the very lowest a second time, and said: Let Archas ( come forth hard, and he came forth hard from the invisible.

( Archas. Or, "Spirit of creation."

2.And Archas came forth, hard, heavy, and very red.

3.And I said: Be opened, Archas, and let there be born from you, and he came undone, an age came forth, very great and very dark, bearing the creation of all lower things, and I saw that it was good and said to him:

4.Go thence down below, and make yourself firm, and be a foundation for the lower things, and it happened and he went down and fixed himself, and became the foundation for the lower things, and below the darkness there is nothing else.
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Ja nisam rekao sta ja " mislim da Bog jeste ", rekao sam da znam sta biblija kaze da Bog jeste za coveka i citirao stihove koji govore sta Bog za coveka jeste.
Netacno, ono sto sam ja rekao je da je Bog u svakoj prici koja je na ovoj Planeti ispricana, posto je Bog - Duh/Rec, i nikakvog znacaja nema sto je to receno od strane jevreja.
Ti i dalje ne shvatas da Bog za coveka postoji samo u prici.
Jovan 4:24 " Bog je Duh; i koji Mu se mole, duhom i istinom treba da se mole. "
Jovan 6:63 " Duh je ono što oživljava; telo ne pomaže ništa. Reči koje vam ja rekoh duh su i život su.

Sve price koje si cuo o nekakvom "bogu" koji ima nekakvo ime su iluzije.
Potpuna laz. Rekao sam vise puta nego sto je bilo potrebno da niko nema nikakvu korist od citanja biblije, sto bibliju ne izdize u bilo kakvom obliku i formi.
Jedna stvar je sta ti mislis o onome sto sam rekao a sasvim druga je da mi naturas gluposti koje sa onim sto sam rekao blage veze nemaju.
Zasto znam da me tvoje lazi o meni ne cine vernikom ?
Zato sto tvoje lazi o meni mene ne cine nicim.
A zasto ti to meni govoris, kada sam ja rekao da niko ( ukljucujuci i tog jevrejina po imenu Isus ) nema nikakve koristi od bilo cega procitanog ?

Citanost biblije ( starog zaveta ) u odnosu na bilo koji drugi tekst koji je pisan pre nje je toliko veca
da je termin "apsolutna dominacija" izuzetno siromasan.

Da li ti kojim slucajem znas zasto je to tako ?

apokrifnih knjiga je bilo i bice i danas. ali ono sto je istinski od Boga to je danas tamo u Reci. Isus je bio jasan,od krvi aveljeve do proroka zarije koji je ubijen med oltarom,to je Biblija. i to je danasnji tekst koji postoji. on je odredio tim recima sto jeste original a sto nije.slusajuci ovde polemiku ja se pitam koja je razlika izmedu tebe i polemicara ispod buduci da oba u svom licnom sagledanju negirate inspirisanost Biblije? cak i Isusa kao Boga. ova tema je onda trebala biti naslovljena kao filozofski pogled.da ne bude nesporazuma.

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Htedoh da te pitam pa zaboravih imas li mogucnost kajanja ,
jer ako nemas mogucnost vere u cemu bi bila poenta kajanja?

Znam nekog ko nema te mogucnosti i ne razume te pojmove uopste izmedju ostalih ,
ustvari ima prilicno veliku listu .
Prijatelj sam sa njegovom kevom ,mali ima svega 16 godina i nedostaje mu ceo prednji deo mozga ,
jednostavno je rodjen tako.Ali funkcionise sasvim normalno cak ima i dobar humor jedino sto cesto vidi vanzemaljce po svom dvoristu.

Nedelju dana nisam posetio Burek Forum , vratim ti se Ja a ti na istom mestu .


Sto se tice prethodnog posta,

Brate mali ,Sve je to samo tvoj dozivljaj ,

To sto ti verujes da znas sta Biblija kaze da Bog jeste i citiras stihove koji govore isto ,

To ne znaci nista ,niti to ne znaci da je istina .

Sam si rekao da si dosao do zakljucka sledecim putem ,

Citiram te

Pazljivim posmatranjem, temeljnom istragom i koristeci reci koje precizno predstavljaju racionalnost zakljucaka.

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Tvoje posmatranje je samo tvoja perspektiva ,
na osnovu cega je tvoja istraga temeljna kada nisi deo nikakavog naucnog ili duhovnog rada
  i tvoja racionalnost zakljucaka aka tvoje misljenje je samo tvoje, bez obzira kako si do njega dosao .
Ukoliko nisi objavio zvanicno nikakav papir, rad ili knjigu ,ne vazi se a i izgleda da ti sam smatras da nema znacaja
to sto pises tako da nerazumem tvoju konstantnu potrebu da se iskazes a nemas nista da te podkrepi ,
 
Na kraju krajeva sve je ovo samo malo zabave

Doduse ovaj svemir je prilicno veliki ,mogucnosti postoje za sve
 ako zivot postoji na zemlji sasvim je moguce da postoji bilo gde gde ima slicnih uslova .

Sto se tice coveka ,
Organizovan Grupni Lov je bio podstrek razvijanju jezika i brze komunikacije ,Crtanje po zidovima pecina ,pravljenje alata ,oruzija i nakita kao i ritualnih obreda tokom smene sezona i sahrane ili proslave su vrlo dobro dokumentovani putem arheoloskih otkrica.
Eksplozijom vulkana Toba na Sumatri Smanjenje ljudske populacije na neki minimum oko 2 hiljade jedinki
 je osiguralo razvoj velikog procenta tih prezivelih jedinki .
Da li je nagli porast kapaciteta mozga kod ljudi bio izazvan kao odgovor prema suocenoj katastrofi ili je samo genetska greska nikada necemo za sigurno znati .

Izlazak iz zadnjeg Ledenog doba je bio procvat za ljudsku rasu ,
Do tada su ljudi bili samo nomadski skupljaci i lovci ,
Pocetak stocarstva je oko 10 hiljada godina star ,
Coveku je u to vreme pre 9 hiljada godina Mleko bilo otrov .
Zemljoradnja je oko 8 hiljada godina stara,prve fiksne ljudske nastambe.
Summer civilizacija ,kolevka raja na zemlji je 7 hiljada godina stara.
Prvo linearno pismo 6 hiljada godina staro.
Prve Piramide su oko 5 hiljada godina stare ,
Prva proizvodnja Piva je oko 5 hiljada godina stara .

 Sto se tice mogucnosti uticaja vanzemaljske prirode na razvoj ljudske rase ,
mogu samo reci univerzum je veliko mesto puno mogucnosti,
uvek ce postojati verovatnoca dok se ne objasne stari mitovi u skoro svim kulturama ,
ili dok se ne nadje ili pojavi dokaz koji ce da dokaze suprotno .

A sto se biblije tice to je popularna fikcija i njen veliki deo objedinjuje price ,mitove i secanja na prirodne dogadjaje drugih naroda , koje su jevreji samo vesto usvojili .