Ova prica mi je zanimljiva. Ima li negde na netu detaljnija ta prica? Naravno na srpskom...

ma to je čista judeo-liberalna konspiracija, bb škola, itd.. 
briši post, nemoj da to vidi deretić 

Cekaj ako imamo 48% slicnosti sa germanima i skandinavcima zasto nam je standrad ovako los 

@Alex
Jel moze negde da se procita malo vise o tom istrazivanju?

Poseti stormfront, tamo dolaze samo experti za ovu oblast. 

Mislim da genetska struktura nije 48 % slicna sa nordijskom, to je verovatno neka greska.

Izvini Shone al mrzi me da prevodim ,ovo sam spremio pre dva meseca za kolegu iz Afrike .

History and origins of christianity biblical God

They are three broad categories of Yahwism, orthodox, heterodox, and syncretistic.Orthodox Yahwism demanded the exclusive worship of Yahweh (although without denying the existence of other gods). The powers of blessing (health, wealth, continuity, fertility) and salvation (forgiveness, victory, deliverance from oppression and threat) resided fully in Yahweh, and his will was communicated via oracle and prophetic vision or audition. Divination soothsaying, and necromancy were prohibited. The individual or community could cry out to Yahweh and would receive a divine response, mediated by priestly or prophetic figures.
Sanctuaries were erected in various places and were used to express devotion to Yahweh by means of sacrifice, festival meals and celebrations, prayer, and praise. Toward the end of the seventh century (BCE) in Judah, worship of Yahweh was restricted to the temple in Jerusalem, while the major sanctuaries in the northern kingdom were at Bethel (near the southern border) and Dan (in the north). Certain times were set for the gathering of the people to celebrate the gifts of Yahweh and the deity’s acts of deliverance and redemption
Everything in the moral realm was understood as a part of relation to Yahweh as a manifestation of holiness. Family relationships and the welfare of the weaker members of society were protected by divine law, and purity of conduct, dress, food, etc. were regulated. Religious leadership resided in priests who were associated with sanctuaries, and also in profits, who were bearers of divine oracles. In the political sphere the king was understood as the appointee and agent of Yahweh
Heterodox Yahwism is described is as a mixture of elements of orthodox Yahwism with particular practices that conflicted with orthodox Yahwism or were not customarily a part of it. For example, heterodox Yahwism included the presence of cult objects rejected in by orthodox expressions, such as the asherah, figurines of various sorts (females, horses and riders, animals and birds, and the calves or bulls of the Northern Kingdom. The "high places" as centers of worship seems to have moved from an acceptable place within Yahwism to an increasingly condemned status in official and orthodox circles. Efforts to know the future or the will of the deity could also be understood as heterodox if they went outside the boundaries of orthodox Yahwism, and even commonly accepted revelatory mechanism such as dreams could be condemned if the resulting message was perceived as false. Consulting mediums, wizards, and diviners was often employed by heterodox Yahwistst
Syncretism covers the worship of Baal, the heavenly bodies (sun, moon, and stars), the "Queen of Heaven" and other deities as well as practices such as child sacrifice: "Other gods were invoked and serviced in time of need or blessing and provision for life when the worship of Yahweh seemed inadequate for those purposes.
In Old Israel & Judah It has traditionally been believed that monotheism was part of Israel's original covenant with Yahweh on Mount Sinai, and the idolatry criticized by the prophets was due to Israel's backsliding. But during the 20th century it became increasingly recognized that the Bible's presentation raises a number of questions: Why do the Ten Commandments declare that there should be no other gods "before Me" (Yahweh), if there are no other gods at all? Why do the Israelites sing at the crossing of the Red Sea that "there is no god like you, O Yahweh”, implying that other gods exist? These observations eventually overthrew the belief that Israel had always worshipped no other god but Yahweh.
Possible evidence of Israelite worship of Canaanite gods appears both in the Bible and the archaeological record. Respectful references to the goddess Asherah or her symbol, for example, as part of the worship of Yahweh, are found in the eighth century inscriptions from Kuntillet 'Ajrud and Khirbet el-Qom, and references to the Canaanite gods Resheph and Deber appear without criticism in the original Jewish text of Habakkuk 3:5. While traditionally these words have been understood to be either Jewish words whose meaning has been derived from characteristics of these Canaanite deitie or references to demons,some interpret these as evidence of Israelite recognition of these gods as part of the military retinue of Yahweh.The "host of heaven" is also mentioned without criticism in 1_Kings 22:19 and Zephaniah 1:5. Though the "host of heaven" has traditionally been interpreted as either the stars/heavenly bodies or the host of angels/heavenly spirits depending on the context, some again have interpreted this term to refer to a pantheon of Israelite gods. The god El is also continually identified with Yahweh.
Israel inherited polytheism from late first-millennium Canaan, and Canaanite religion in turn had its roots in the religion of second-millennium Ugarit. In the 2nd millennium, polytheism was expressed through the concepts of the divine council and the divine family, a single entity with four levels: the chief god and his wife (El and Asherah); the seventy divine children or "stars of El" (including Baal, Astarte, Anat, probably Resheph, as well as the sun-goddess Shapshu and the moon-god Yerak); the head helper of the divine household, Kothar wa-Hasis; and the servants of the divine household, including the messenger-gods who would later appear as the "angels" of the Hebrew bible.
In the earliest stage Yahweh was one of the seventy children of El, each of whom was the patron deity of one of the seventy nations. This is illustrated by the Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint texts of Deuteronomy 32:8–9, in which El, as the head of the divine assembly, gives each member of the divine family a nation of his own, "according to the number of the divine sons": Israel is the portion of Yahweh. The later Masoretic text, evidently uncomfortable with the polytheism expressed by the phrase, altered it to "according to the number of the children of Israel
Between the eighth to the sixth centuries El became identified with Yahweh, Yahweh-El became the husband of the goddess Asherah, and the other gods and the divine messengers gradually became mere expressions of Yahweh's power. Yahweh is cast in the role of the Divine King ruling over all the other deities, as in Psalm 29:2, where the "sons of God" are called upon to worship Yahweh; and as Ezekiel 8-10 suggests, the Temple itself became Yahweh's palace, populated by those in his retinue.
It is in this period that the earliest clear monotheistic statements appear in the Bible, for example in the apparently seventh-century Deuteronomy 4:35, 39, 1 Samuel 2:2, 2 Samuel 7:22, 2 Kings 19:15, 19 (= Isaiah 37:16, 20), and Jeremiah 16:19, 20 and the sixth-century portion of Isaiah 43:10–11, 44:6, 8, 45:5–7, 14, 18, 21, and 46:9. Because many of the passages involved appear in works associated with either Deuteronomy, the Deuteronomistic History (Joshua through Kings) or in Jeremiah, most recent scholarly treatments have suggested that a Deuteronomistic movement of this period developed the idea of monotheism as a response to the religious issues of the time.
The first factor behind this development involves changes in Israel's social structure. At Ugarit, social identity was strongest at the level of the family: legal documents, for example, were often made between the sons of one family and the sons of another. Ugarit's religion, with its divine family headed by El and Asherah, mirrored this human reality. The same was true in ancient Israel through most of the monarchy – for example, the story of Achan in Joshua 8 suggests an extended family as the major social unit. However, the family lineages went through traumatic changes beginning in the eighth century due to major social stratification, followed by Assyrian incursions. In the seventh and sixth centuries, we begin to see expressions of individual identity (Deuteronomy 26:16; Jeremiah 31:29–30; Ezekiel 18). A culture with a diminished lineage system, deteriorating over a long period from the ninth or eighth century onward, less embedded in traditional family patrimonies, might be more predisposed both to hold the individual accountable for his behavior, and to see an individual deity accountable for the cosmos. In short, the rise of the individual as the basic social unit led to the rise of a single god replacing a divine family.
The second major factor was the rise of the neo-Assyrian and neo-Babylonian empires. As long as Israel was, from its own perspective, part of a community of similar small nations, it made sense to see the Israelite pantheon on par with the other nations, each one with its own patron god – the picture described with Deuteronomy 32:8–9. The assumption behind this worldview was that each nation was as powerful as its patron godHowever, the neo-Assyrian conquest of the northern kingdom in ca. 722 challenged this, for if the neo-Assyrian empire were so powerful, so must be its god; and conversely, if Israel could be conquered (and later Judah, c. 586), it implied that Yahweh in turn was a minor divinity. The crisis was met by separating the heavenly power and earthly kingdoms. Even though Assyria and Babylon were so powerful, the new monotheistic thinking in Israel reasoned, this did not mean that the god of Israel and Judah was weak. Assyria had not succeeded because of the power of its god Marduk; it was Yahweh who was using Assyria to punish and purify the one nation which Yahweh had chosen.
By the post-Exilic period, full monotheism had emerged: Yahweh was the sole God, not just of Israel, but of the whole world. If the nations were tools of Yahweh, then the new king who would come to redeem Israel might not be a Judean as taught in older literature (e.g. Psalm 2). Now, even a foreigner such as Cyrus the Persian could serve as the Lord's anointed (Isaiah 44:28, 45:1). One god stood behind all the world's history.

Regards
Aleks







Prvo bih voleo da ti kazem da genetska struktura nema veze mnogo sa zivotnim standardom i radnim navikama,
inteligencijom ,vec se prosto radi o nivou obrazovanja i dostupnoj informaciji .
Cak ni inteligecija ne utice na standard coveka ,covek koji ima najvecu inteligenciju na svetu
 ili IQ od 230 ne radi za NASA vec radi na vratima kao izbacivac u kafani.
Na primer prosecan IQ kod ljudi u bivsoj Ygoslaviji je bio odmah posle Zapadno Nemackog,to nije vise slucaj.
Hrvati i Slovenci danas imaju bolji standard od Srbije ali manji IQ od bivseg prosecnog Yugoslovenskog ,
 veci novcani dug i veci procenat samoubistava.

Sto se tice DNK grupa ,plasim se da me nisi lepo razumeo ,to je prosek grupe kod testiranih ljudi,
neki su imali veci procenat a neki manji .
Nasa zastupljenost te grupe je dosla izmedju 4-7 veka kada je Srbi ziveli na podruciju Severne Nemacke  ,
Trgovinom ,ratom i brakovima dolazili smo u kontakt sa Saxsoncima koji su bili jedni od najvecih trgovaca u to vreme i koji su tu ziveli ,odatle verovatno dolazi i grupa T koju delimo sa Englezima .

Vecina Evropljana deli slicnost i poreklo cak do 95% gena u devet glavnih grupa .
Ali svako je individualno razlicit jer ne mozes znati sa kim su tvoji daleki preci imali intimne odnose u zadnjih 50 hiljada godina. Tako da bez obzira na istu narodnost ili cak i prezime genetska struktura moze da varira.

Ako odes na "National Georaphic " mozes uraditi geneticki test za tebe
 £70 po majcinoj strani plus £20 extra po ocevoj liniji ,ovo je prilicno jeftino jer proslih godina cene su bile oko
£300 do £500 .
Majcinu liniju ili hromozom X svi ljudi sveta mogu da prate do 200 hiljada godina unazad
 a ocevu liniju ili hromozom Y do 65 hiljada godina unazad.
 To je pocetna linija predaka svih  danasnjih  ljudi na svetu .
Dobices mapu sveta koja ce da markira migraciju tvojih predaka iz Afrike sve do danasnjeg dana .
Svuda gde imas takozvane vruce tacke tu dominira odredjena grupa a oko nje odredjene podgrupe ,
tako da tacno mozes da ustanovis sa kojom grupom su se tvoji preci mesali i pre koliko godina .

Uglavnom i ako imas na Google puno informacija o DNK istrazivanjima jedino ces biti siguran ako uradis individualni licni test ,devojke i zene na primer nemaju dostupnu liniju po ocevoj strani jer imaju dupli hromozom ( X X ),
tako da one koje imaju rodjenog brata imaju tu mogucnost.

Ja samo razumem da je prica o tome koji je narod najstariji totalno debilna. Jer ako smo svi nastali od iste vrste kako neko moze biti stariji, a neko mladji. I koji je to trenutak kada mozemo smatrati da je neka grupa koja se odvojila od vecinskog naroda postala novi narod. I da li to dolazi do neke mutacije gena pa nastaju nove genetske grupe ili sta je u pitanju. Stvarno ne znam, a voleo bi da saznam nesto o tome.

A voleo bi da saznam nesto vise bas o tom istrazivanju na koje se pozivas da bi video genetske slicnosti izmedju evropskih naroda i da bi video na koji nacin su dosli do reprezentativnog uzorka krvi i da li se takva istrazivanja uopste mogu uzeti ozbiljno s obzirom da cisti narodi u Evropi gotovo da ne postoje. Koje fizicke karakteristike danas uopste mozemo smatrati cisto srpskim.


I kako mozes da tvrdis da su Srbi ziveli na severu Nemacke kad to ni istorija ni lingvistika ne mogu da potvrde. Zar si to zakljucio samo na osnovu ovog istrazivanja? Kako to da nas jezik spada u grupo slevenskih ako imamo samo 17 % slicnosti sa slovenima, a cak 50 sa germanima i skandinavcima. Kako to da srpski jezik danas nema gotovo nikakve veze sa germanskim i skandinavskim jezicima.

Словени и Германи се одавно мешају. А на то којим језиком ко говори генетика не мора да има никаквог утицаја. Колико гена деле амерички црнац и белац? Па ипак, оба говоре енглески.

Alex616

Slabo verujem bilo sta sto dolazi sa zapadao, na stromfrontu se dosta raspravlja o tome pa koga zanima moze da svrati tamo. 
To za test gena znam, mislim da u najbolizem okruzenju srbije samo u svajcarskoj postoji slicna laboratorija.

Marco V

Druze vidim da slabo poznajes materiju, srpski narod nije poseban, kao ni nemacki, ruski itd.

Evropski narodi  spadaju u belu rasu arijevsku, e sada postoje podtipovi rase nordijski (norvezani, nemci, holandjani, danci), balticki (poljaci, litvanci, finci, rusi itd), aplski (nemci, austrijanci, srbi, hrvati, francuzi), mediteranski (srbi, hrvati, bosanci, crnogorci, bugarski, italijanski, spanski itd) i dinarski ( srbi, hrvati, bosanci, slovenci, austrijanci, cak i kod nemaca je zastupljen mali postotak dinarskih gena).

E sada ne postoji homogen narod, svi narodi su izmesani, e sada uzmi npr. nemce, oni mu dodju, nesto izmedju nordijaca, alpinaca i mali procenat baltickog-dinarskog gena, srbi mu dodju nesto izmedju, dinaraca, mediteranaca, aplina, i sada najmanji postotak ima nordijskih i arapskih gena ( arapskih zbog turskog uticaja na ovim prostorima).

Jel sada razumes da je srbin, hrvat, poljak obicno ime za plemen, nema to nikakve veze sa genima, ne postoji ti gen koji poseduju samo srbi.

I da srbi su ziveli na danasnjoj granici izmedju poljske i nemacke, zvali su se beli srbi ili danas luzicki srbi, cak su i nemci to potvrdili,  oko 4-7 veka kad su "sloveni" poceli da naseljavaju balkansko poluostrvo vecina njih je otisla ostale su male grupe.

Lako na netu mozes naci o Luzickim Srbima ako te zanima.

Slabo i ja poznajem pa sam ti uprostio jako, ako te zanima poseti gore navedeni sajt.

@Alex616

Hvala u svakom slucaju, videcu kad imam vise vremena pa da iscitam ovo

Imas zajednickih korena reci u Srpskom i Nemackom, koji su oba Indoevropski. Sto se tice jezika, i Poljaci, tj. pleme Poljani su uspeli da dominiraju i asimiliraju ostala slovenska plemena pa danas svi pricaju Poljski. Nemacka imena koja se zavrsavaju na "itz" su slovenskog porekla, a ima dosta toga i u topologiji, najvise u istocnoj Nemackoj, gde jos zive u nekim delovima luzicki Srbi. I Madjari su se propisno izmesali sa Slovenima, samo kad ih vidis, retko vidis u njima pretka Tatara i Huna, ali jezik im je ostao dok kod Bugara eto ne.