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Da to su pokusavali, ali zbog velike potrebne bzine okretanja prstena, nisu mogli to uraditi. A i sam bi se rspao zbog slabog materijala i velike potrebne brzine. Samo sto se u tekstu ne govori samo o elektromagnetizmu, vec o koriscenju centifugalne i centripetalne sile za ponistavanje gravitacije. Kao sto satelit ostaje u orbiti.
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Flying Saucers of the Third Reich
by Brian Harring




The 'Bellenzo-Schriever-Miethe Disc'.

The retractable undercarriage legs terminated in inflatable rubber cushions. The craft was designed to carry a
crew of three The "Schriever-Habermohl" flying disc developed between 1943 and 1945 consisted of a stable
dome-shaped cabin surrounded by a flat, rotating rim. Toward the end of the war, all the models and prototypes
were reported destroyed before they could be found by the Soviets. According to postwar U.S. intelligence
reports, however, the Russian army succeeded in capturing one prototype. After the war, both Schreiver and 
Miethe, another German scientist involved in the design of flying disks, came to work for the US under ‘Operation
Paperclip.’. Habermohl was reported, by U.S. Army Military Intelligence, as having been taken to the Soviet Union.

The first non-official report on the development of this craft is to be found in Die Deutschen Waffen und
Geheimwaffen  des 2 Weltkriegs und ihre Weiterentwicklung (Germany's Weapons and Secret Weapons of the
Second World War and their Later Development).,  J.F. Lehmanns Verlag, Munich, 1956, pps 81-83.  The author
of this detailed and technical work on German wartime weaponry was Major d.R. Rudolf Lusar, an engineer who
worked in the German Reichs-Patent Office and had access to many original plans and documents. Lusar
devoted a section of the chapter entitled "Special Devices," to Third Reich saucer designs.

Among other things, Lusar declared: "German scientists and researchers took the first steps toward such flying
saucers during the last war, and even built and tested such flying devices, which border on the fantastic.
According to information confirmed by experts and collaborators, the first projects involving "flying discs" began in
1941. The blueprints for these projects were furnished by German experts Schriever, Habermohl, Miethe, and the
Italian expert Bellonzo.

"Habermohl and Schriever chose a flat hoop which spun around a fixed pilot's cabin in the shape of a dome. It
consisted of steerable disc wings which enabled, according to the direction of their placement, in horizontal takeoff
or flight. Miethe developed a kind of disk 42 meters in diameter, to which steerable nozzles had been attached.
Schriever and Habermohl, who had worked together in Prague, took off on 14 February 1945 in the first "flying
disc." They attained a height of 12,400 meters in three minutes and a horizontal flight speed of 2000 KMH. It had
been expected to reach speeds of up to 4000 KMH.

"Massive initial tests and research work were involved prior to undertaking the manufacture of the project. Due to
the high rate of speed and the extraordinary heat demands, it was necessary to find particular materials in order
to resist the effects of the high temperatures. Project development,which had run into the millions, was practically
concluded by the final days of the war. All existing models were destroyed at the end of the conflict, but the factory
at Breslau in which Miethe had worked fell into the hands of the Soviets, who seized all the material and technical
personnel and shipped them to Siberia, where successful work on "flying saucers" was conducted.

"Schreiver was able to leave Prague on time, but Habermohl must be in the Soviet Union, since nothing more is
known concerning his whereabouts. The aged German builder, Miethe, is in the United States developing, it is
said, "flying saucers" for the A.V. Roe Company in the U.S.A. and in Canada..."

The Schriever-Habermohl Project

The project is usually referred to as the Schriever-Habermohl project although it is by no means clear that these
were the individuals in charge of the project. Rudolf Schriever was an engineer and test pilot. Less is known about
Otto Habermohl but certainly he was an engineer. This project was centered in Prag, at the Prag-Gbell airport
Actual construction work began somewhere between 1941 and 1943 This was originally a Luftwaffe project which
received technical assistance from the Skoda Works at Prag and at a Skoda division at Letov and perhaps
elsewhere. Other firms participating in the project according to Epp were the Junkers firm at Oscherleben and
Bamburg, the Wilhelm Gustloff firm at Weimar and the Kieler Leichtbau at Neubrandenburg . This started as a
project of the Luftwaffe, sponsored by head of the Luftwaffe’s Technical Section, Generaloberst (Colonel General)
Ernst Udet. It later came under the control of Albert Speer's Armament Ministry at which time it was administered
by engineer Georg Klein. Finally, probably sometime in 1944, this project came under the control of the SS,
specifically under the direct control of SS-Gruppenführer (General) Hans Kammler

Georg Klein stated after the war to American intelligence investigators that he saw this device fly on February 14,
1945 . This may have been the first official flight, but it was not the first flight made by this device. According to
one witness, a saucer flight occurred as early as August or September of 1943 at the Prag-Gbell facility. The
eyewitness was in flight-training at the Prag-Gbell facility when he saw a short test flight of such a device. He
states that the saucer was 5 to 6 meters in diameter (about 15 to 18 feet in diameter) and about as tall as a man,
with an outer border of 30-40 centimeters. It was "aluminum" in color and rested on four thin, long legs. The flight
distance observed was about 300 meters at low level of one meter in altitude.

Joseph Andreas Epp, an engineer who served as a consultant to both the Schriever-Habermohl and the Miethe-
Belluzzo projects, states that fifteen prototypes were built in all. The final device associated with Schriever-
Habermohl is described by engineer Rudolf Lusar who worked in the German Patent Office, as a central cockpit
surrounded by rotating adjustable wing-vanes forming a circle. The vanes were held together by a band at the
outer edge of the wheel-like device. The pitch of the vanes could be adjusted so that during take off more lift was
generated by increasing their angle from a more horizontal setting. In level flight the angle would be adjusted to a
smaller angle. This is similar to the way helicopter rotors operate. The wing-vanes were to be set in rotation by
small rockets placed around the rim like a pinwheel. Once rotational speed was sufficient, liftoff was achieved.
After the craft had risen to some height, the horizontal jets or rockets were ignited and the small rockets shut off 
After this, the wing-blades would be allowed to rotate freely as the saucer moved forward as in an auto-
gyrocopter. In all probability, the wing-blades’ speed, and so their lifting value, could also be increased by
directing the adjustable horizontal jets slightly upwards to engage the blades, thus spinning them faster at the
discretion of the pilot.

Rapid horizontal flight was possible with these jet or rocket engines. Probable candidates were the Junkers Jumo
004 jet engines such as were used on the famous German jet fighter, the Messerschmitt 262. A possible
substitute would have been the somewhat less powerful BMW 003 engines. The rocket engine would have been
the Walter HWK109 which powered the Messerschmitt 163 rocket interceptor .If these had been plentiful, the
Junkers Jumo 004 probably would have been the first choice. Epp reports Jumo 211/b engines were used . Klaas
reports the Argus pulse jet (Schmidt-duct), used on the V-l, was also considered .All of these types of engines
were difficult to obtain at the time because they were needed for high priority fighters and bombers, the V-l and
the rocket interceptor aircraft.

Joseph Andreas Epp reports in his book Die Realitaet der Flugscheiben (The Reality of the Flying Discs) that an
official test flight occurred in February of 1945. Epp managed to take two still pictures of the saucer in flight which
appear in his book. There is some confusion about the date of these pictures. Epp states the official flight had
been February 14, 1945 but an earlier lift-off had taken place in August of 1944.

Very high performance flight characteristics are attributed to this design. Georg Klein says it climbed to 12,400
meters (over37,000 feet) in three minutes  and attaining a speed around that of the sound barrier . Epp says that
it achieved a speed of Mach 1 (about 1200 kilometers per hour or about 750miles per hour. From his discussion,
it appears that Epp is describing the unofficial lift-off in August, 1944 at this point. He goes on to say that on the
next night, the sound barrier was broken in manned flight but that the pilot was frightened by the vibrations
encountered at that time . On the official test flight, Epp reports a top speed of 2200 kilometers per hour . Lusar
reports a top speed of 2000kilometers per hour . Many other writers cite the same or similar top speed.

There is no doubt of two facts. The first is that these are supersonic speeds which are being discussed.

Second, it is a manned flight which is under discussion.

Some new information has come to light regarding the propulsion system which supports the original assessment.
Although actual construction had not started, wind-tunnel and design studies confirmed the feasibility of building a
research aircraft which was designated Projekt 8-346. This aircraft was not a saucer but a modern looking swept-
back wing design. According this post-war Allied intelligence report, the Germans designed the 8-346 to flying the
range of 2000 kilometers per hour to Mach 2. .Interestingly enough, it was to use two Walther HWK109 rocket
engines. This is one of the engine configurations under consideration for the Schriever-Habermohl saucer project.

Schriever continued to work on the project until April 15, 1945. About this time Prag was threatened by the
advancing Soviet Army. The saucer prototype(s) at Prag-Gbell were pushed out onto the runway and burnt.
Habermohl disappeared and is presumed to have  ended up in the hands of the Soviets. Schriever, according to
his own statements, packed the saucer plans in the trunk of his BMW and with his family drove into the relative
security of Bavaria. After cessation of hostilities Schriever worked his way north to his parents house in
Bremerhaven-Lehe. He later worked for the U.S. Army.

Therefore, the history of the Schriever-Habermohl project in Prag can be summarized in a nutshell as follows:
Epp's statement is that it was his design and model which formed the basis for this project. This model was given
to General Ernst Udet which was then later forwarded to General Dr. Walter Dornberger at Peenemünde. Dr.
Dornberger tested and recommended the design which was confirmed by Dornberger to Epp after the war A
facility was set up in Prag for further development and the Schriever- Habermohl team was assigned to work on it
there. At first this project was under the auspices of Hermann Göring and the Luftwaffe.  Sometime later, the
Speer Ministry took over the running of this project with chief engineer Georg Klein in charge. Finally, the project
was usurped by the SS in 1944, along with other saucer projects, and fell under the control of Kammler. Schriever
altered the length of the wing-vanes from their original design. This alteration caused the instability. Schriever was
still trying to work out this problem in his version of the saucer as the Russians overran Prag. Haberrmohl,
according to Epp, went back to his original specifications, with two or three successful flights for his version.

Viktor Schauberger [1885-1958], an Austrian inventor who was closely involved with Hitler's Third Reich, worked
on the advancement of a number of flying disc-shaped craft for the Nazis between 1938 and 1945. Based on
"liquid vortex propulsion" many of them, according to records, actually flew. One "flying saucer" [fliegende
untertassen] reputedly destroyed at Leonstein, had a diameter of 1.5 meters, weighed 135 kilos, and was started
by an electric motor of one twentieth horsepower. The vehicle was equipped with a turbine engine to supply the
energy required for liftoff.

According to Schauberger, "If water or air is rotated into a twisting form of oscillation known as 'colloidal', a build
up of energy results which, with immense power, can cause levitation." On one attempt one such apparatus "rose
upwards, trailing a blue-green, and then a silver-colored glow."

The Russians blew up Schauberger's apartment in Leonstein, after taking what remained following an earlier visit
by the Americans. Schauberger supposedly was later involved in working on a top secret project in Texas for the
U.S. Government and died shortly afterwards of ill health.

In a letter written by Schauberger to a friend it states that he once worked at Matthausen concentration camp
directing technically oriented prisoners and other German scientists in the successful construction of a saucer. In
this letter written by Schauberger, he gives further information from his direct experience with the German military :

"The 'flying saucer' which was flight-tested on the 19th February 1945 near Prague and which attained a height of
15,000 metres in 3 minutes and a horizontal speed of 2,200 km/hour, was constructed according to a Model 1 built
at Mauthausen concentration camp in collaboration with the first-class engineers and stress-analysts assigned to
me from the prisoners there.

It was only after the end of the war that I came to hear, through one of the workers under my direction, a Czech,
that further intensive development was in progress: however, there was no answer to my enquiry.

From what I understand, just before the end of the war, the machine is supposed to have been destroyed on
Keitel's orders. That's the last I heard of it.

In this affair, several armament specialists were also involved who appeared at the works in Prague, shortly before
my return to Vienna, and asked that I demonstrate the fundamental basis of it:

The creation of an atomic low-pressure zone, which develops in seconds when either air or water is caused to
radially and axially under conditions of a falling temperature gradient."
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This perfectly explains the reason for the massive coverup on the UFO subject.
John Lear; former US CIA worker, discloses inside information of US and Alien treaties in exchange for UFO technology. This is an audio tape of a broadcast from Coast To Coast with Art Bell and George Noory. Although the speaker is credible, this information is unconfirmed, lets just hope that it is not true.
 
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Пада ми на памет идеја да можда све ове НЛО ствари само начин да се сакрију владини тајни пројекти, ко зна шта се све развија у некој бази у некој пустињи.
Најлакше, уместо да објашњаваш само пустиш људе да верују да су ванземаљци и нико не поставља питања.
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Izašlo je i u Kuriru da su neki ljudi kod Niša videli biće sa druge planete,to je već neko spomenuo.
Evo neki deo izjave Slavice Milojković.
Slavica Milojković iz niškog sela Međurovo tvrdi da je u svom kukuruzištu pre nedelju dana videla vanzemaljca.Ova stamena pedesetpetogodišnja seljanka kaže da u životu nije ugledala ništa slično,te da ne bi svojim očima verovala da neobično biće nije videlo još troje meštana.
-Bilo je rano ujutro,tek je prošlo šest sati,kad sam se obrela u bašti da zalijem papriku.Prišla sam njivi i ugledala čovekoliko biće koje je klečalo na kolenima i klanjalo sa prema suncu.Ono što me je zaprepastilo i uverilo da se nešto čudno dešava je to što se uporedo s njegovim pokretima njihala i jedna stabljika kukuruza koja je bila u njegovoj neposrednoj blizini-kaže Milojkovićeva
-Bilo je obučeno u nešto što je najsličnije hartiji za pakovanje poklona zlatnožute boje.Polako sam mu prišla i pitala ga šta radi ovde.Nije mi odgovorio,niti se čuo bilo kakav drugi zvuk.Pitala sam ga da li je gluv kada mi ne odgovara.Kada sam shvatila da to nisu ipak čista posla,onako uplašena,otrčala sam do jednog  starca koji se nalazio u obližnjoj njivi.Pozvala sam ga da pođe sa mnom i otera tuđinca,ali je to on odbio,govoreći mi da se u mojoj bašti izgleda nešto zapalilo jer se vidi neobična svetlost-priča Milojkovićeva
Uplašena žena pomoć je zatražila od komšije Tomislava Živkovića i njegove supruge Vukosave,koji su odlučili da odu na njivu i da vide šta se tamo dešava.
-Tomislav je poneo vilu,a ja motiku,jer smo se plašili da će nas taj stvor napasti.Međutim,kad smo stigli na pola puta,videli smo da to biće počinje da se smanjuje Smile  dok nije dostiglo veličinu i oblik nečega što bih najbližnije opisala kao pticu koja je blistala mnoštvom boja."To" se onda vinulo ka nebu,da bi se pred našim očima transformisalo u čoveka koji je "jahao" na nečemu nalik motorciklu  Smile i nestalo put neba.-priča Slavica Milojković.
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