Nemam ovde bibliju.U racunskom centru sam,ali Dela apostolaska, valjda sesta glava,peti sesti stih.

Da se razumemo, to je moje slobodno tumacenje za koje ne tvrdim da je tacno.Samo kazem da meni tako deluje.Muhamed se nigde ne spominje.

Followers of Jesus
Suppose that someone observed Jesus 2000 years ago, and he left this planet, or he went to sleep for 2000 years and returned today to look for the followers of Jesus, who would he find?Christians? I conclude with just this food for thought: the Bible says very clearly that Jesus used to fast. Do Christians fast? Muslims fast; it is obligatory one month every year. The Bible says that Jesus prayed by touching his forehead to the ground.Do Christians pray in this manner? Muslims do.It is characteristic of their prayer and no one on earth is probably ignorant of that fact.
According to Jesus, he told his disciples to greet one another with the expression, "Peace be with you". Do the Christians do that?Muslim do,universally, whether they speak Arabic or not.The greeting for one to another is Assalamu'  alaikum (peace be with you).
Paraclete
There is a lot of argument over the meaning of this word "Paraclete".For now we can leave that aside.What is a "Paraclete"? It does not matter.The first letter of John shows that Jesus was a "Paraclete". He is called a "Paraclete" and we have Jesus promising another "Paraclete" is going to be sent.
We losee a lot by this word "another" in English because it is ambiguous. If someone's car breaks down, and it is a Toyota, and I say " I'll go and get you another car" maybe I mean "I'll go and get you another Toyota because this one you have is broken" or maybe I mean "Forget Toyota, they're no good; I'll go and get you a BMW". It is an ambiguous word.
But the Greeks had a word for it. When they meant 'another' of the same kind, they said aloes.When they meant another of a different kind, they said heteroes.The important thing here is that, when Jesus, who was himself a Paraclete, said "God will send you another Paraclete" he used the word aloes, not heteroes.
Christians want to say that this othe "Paraclete" that has been sent was different from Jesus.It was not a man, it was a spirit.What Jesus said was: "God will send you another one like me, another man" Muslims believe that Muhammad is the fullfilment of this prophecy by Jesus.The Qur'an says that this man is mentioned in the scriptures of the Jews and the Christians.
Christians came to expect the return of Jesus because of a Jewish misunderstanding.'Messiah' and 'Son of Man' have been given special significance by the Jews, even though many pepople were called by this same name as in the Bible.The Jews came to expect a victorious leader.When Jesus did not turn out to be quite what many expected, they hatched the idea that he would return some day to fulfill all these prophecies.
(Gary Miller, nekad pop,sada covjek ogorcen na sve cemu ga je ucila crkva, knjiga The Basis of Muslim Belief)

P.S.
Volio bih da cujem jos popova...naravno slicnih marku, da me samo jos vise uvjere kako ste u velikoj zabludi prateci totalno neobrazovane (kulturu i takve je grijeh stavljati u istu recenicu pa cu to preskociti), grijehovima navodene slijepce koji sve u svemu sastave 2 recenice bez ikakvih argumenata, a koje obavezno moraju sadrzati rijeci : jebem,Tursku,balijsku,krv,idiot,debil,malouman... sve u svemu, jako mi je zao nekih ljudi, mozda oni i nisu losi...no kada ih kroz religiju vode ovi jebachi turaka balija maloumnika... jednostavno...ne mogu da prate dobro,ne mogu imati zelju za dobrim i naravno samim tim izazivaju nesto sto se zove Dzihad i sto ce sigurno nekada da nastupi, htjeli vi to ili ne ali Muslimani se bore protiv zla, sto je po svima vama za osudu...da, razumljivo je zasto je vama to za osudu...jer su vam popovi ovakvi kakvi jesu, dakle sve dok su vode hriscanske vjere zlobni ljudi, zlobni su i njeni pratioci, sve dok je zlobnih ljudi, zlo ce postojati, sve dok zlo postoji, sejtan ce zivjeti u njemu.
Pope, "let peace be with you"

Da, hrišćani poste, zarad Hristolikosti svoje, po rečima Hristovim da će
"u one dane kada se On (Hristos Isus) odvede od njih, u te dane postiti".
Elem, Hrista su uhapsili u sredu i pogubili u petak.
Hrišćani se sećaju Njega i uz Njegovu pomoć tih dana poste.
Osim tih dana, Hrišćani poste i 4 velika posta, velika po broju dana.

Jevreji takođe poste dva dana u nedelji.
A možda i više, ne znam to.
Ja ovo nisam našao u Svetim Pismima Novoga Zaveta.
Ja bih voleo da mi pošalješ citat iz Svetog Pisma ili Svetog Predanja gde ovo piše.
Ako si dokon, naravno.

Elem, od Božića do Blagovesti, pozdravljamo se sa
"Hristos se Rodi"; od Blagovesti do Uskrsa sa "Bog se Javi",
od Uskrsa (Vaskrsa) do Silaska Duha Svetoga sa "Hristos Vaskrse" ...
Tako da ... zazivamo Ime Gospodnje na glas a nadam se i u srcu i mislima.
Hm. Možda je ovo i bitnije od prethodnog! 
Verovatno misliš na ovo:
"Ako me ljubite, držaćete moje zapovesti. I ja ću moliti Oca,
pa će vam dati drugog pomagača - utešitelja da bude sa vama doveka, Duha istine, koga svet ne može da primi,
jer ga ne vidi i ne poznaje;
vi ga poznajete, zato što boravi kod vas i biće u vama."
Ne razumem zašto je potrebno tumačenje ovome.
Ja i nisam neki intelektualni kapacitet, a čak i meni je jasno.
Nadam se da će se njegove emocije 'od-ogorčiti' vremenom.
Ne treba mu to - život je lep i Bog je Dobar.

Nisam pop.
Laik - vernik.

Jel misliš na ovaj deo iz tog putopisa (Dela Apostola):
"Prođoše frigijsku i galatijsku zemlju, pošto im je Duh Sveti zabranio da propovedaju reč u Aziji.
A kad dođoše prema Misiji, pokušavali su da se upute u Vitiniju, ali im Duh Isusov ne dade;
prođoše tako pored Misije i siđoše u Troadu. I Pavlu se javi utvara noću: jedan Makedonac
stade pred njega moleći ga i govoreći: pređi u Makedoniju i pomozi nam.
A kad on vide tu utvaru, zatražismo odmah da odemo u Makedoniju,
naslućujući da nas je Bog pozvao da im objavimo evanđelje."

    

Što se mene tiče, izvuci zaključak koji god hoćeš.

Istorijski gledano, pod pojmom Azija oni su tada smatrali
deo koji mi danas zovemo Mala Azija.
Istorijski gledano, tih dana kada su sv. Pavle i drugi
sa njim hteli da ... 'skrenu desno' (na karti gledano)
tamo je već Evanđelje živeo sv. Andreja sa drugim
hrišćanima. I crkve je Bog postavljao.
Po Jermeniji i Gruziji, npr.

Drugo me interesuje:
Zašto muslimani traže a.s. Muhameda među knjgama koje
su nastale pre njegovog rođenja i koje ne govore o njemu?

Хехе, па пробали сте пар пута па вам се изјаловило


Добро и зло не постоје, све су то субјективни чиниоци.

What is worship? The answer to this question is important, not only because Christians should know what worship is, but in discovering what worship is, we also find out who can be worshipped. Since the Bible was originally written in Hebrew and Greek, we need to begin our study of worship by looking at the Greek and Hebrew words that are translated “worship.” Unfortunately, because of the way the Greek and Hebrew words for “worship” have been translated into English, it can be difficult to learn correctly about worship from an English version of the Bible.

The Hebrew word shachah and the Greek word proskuneo account for more than 80% of the appearances of the word “worship” in most English versions of the Bible, so these are the two words with which we want to concern ourselves. There are a few other words that are occasionally translated “worship” but have a more specific meaning outside of the idea of worship, and really should be translated differently. An example would be the Greek word latreuo, which means “to serve,” but in a few cases is translated “to worship.”

A study of the Hebrew word shachah and the Greek word proskuneo reveals that both these words mean “to bow down.” The Hebrew word shachah (Strong’s number 7812) is used of bowing or prostrating oneself, often before a superior or before God. [1] In the King James Version, it is translated by a number of different English words, including: “worship” (99 times), “bow” (31 times), “bow down” (18 times), “obeisance” (9 times), and “reverence” (5 times).

The Greek word proskuneo (Strong’s number 4505) comes from the Greek words pros, “to” or “toward,” and kuneo, “to kiss.” It literally means to kiss the hand to (toward) someone in token of reverence, and among the Orientals, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence. Hence, in the New Testament it means kneeling or prostration to do homage or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication. [2]

The examples of “worship” in the Bible confirms that in the biblical culture, people bowed down before those to whom they wanted to show respect or honor. Lot “worshipped” (shachah) the strangers who came to Sodom even though he had never seen them before. He prostrated himself before them to show them respect (Gen. 19:1). Moses “worshipped” (shachah) his father in law, whom he respected and honored (Ex. 18:7). Abigail “worshipped” (shachah) David. She honored him by prostrating herself before him. These three examples can be multiplied many times over, but they show that when someone wanted to honor another, he would fall down before him. The act of falling down is called “worship,” and reveals the heart of the worshipper—respect and honor towards the one being worshipped.

Many cultures besides the biblical culture have the custom of bowing to show respect or honor. The Japanese and Chinese bow to those they respect. In the courts of Europe it was customary to bow (or for women, to curtsy) to those of higher rank. In fact, even in the colonial culture of the United States it was common for men to bow in respect of one another and for the women to curtsy to show honor or respect, and occasionally we still see bowing and curtsying today.

In some churches the custom of bowing before God has been modified into kneeling or genuflecting. For example, in the Roman Catholic Church people often genuflect, a shallow bow of the knee, to show their respect to God. In most protestant churches although people no longer perform a full bow before the Lord, people “bow” their heads in prayer as a sign of respect. It is important to realize that in both biblical and modern “worship” (bowing down), the outward act of bowing reveals the inner heart of respect and honor.

Why do we use the English word “worship” at all? Our word “worship” comes from the Old English “weorthscipe,” which means worthiness. We “worship” someone because they are “worth” the respect they receive. In British English, “Worship” was actually used as a title for various officials, usually magistrates and some mayors. Thus even in the derivation of the English word “worship” we see that it was not exclusively used of God or Jesus, but was used to designate someone worth the respect they received.

When the words shachah appears in the Hebrew text, or proskuneo in the Greek text, they usually refer to the action of bowing down, and we can translate them that way into English, as the following examples show.

    Genesis 23:7 (NIV)
    Then Abraham rose and bowed down [shachah] before the people of the land, the Hittites.

    Genesis 33:3 (NIV)
    He himself [Jacob] went on ahead and bowed down [shachah] to the ground seven times as he approached his brother [Esau].

    Genesis 42:6 (NIV)
    Now Joseph was the governor of the land, the one who sold grain to all its people. So when Joseph’s brothers arrived, they bowed down [shachah] to him with their faces to the ground.

    Matthew 18:26 (NIV)
    “The servant fell on his knees [proskuneo] before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’
    John 4:24
    God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship [proskuneo] in spirit and in truth.”
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“About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, ‘Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?’--which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’” (Matthew 27:46).
Ciji Bog? Zar Bog moze da ima Boga?
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Vec sam jednom rekao da na tvoje postove necu odgovarati...stvarno mi nije jasno sto si se uzvrtio...'aj raspali ... 

Kako izazivaju Dzihad?Aj da se vratimo 500 godina nazad ,pa da vidimo ko je nepozvan dosao na Balkan,a ti mi pricas kako se muslimani bore protiv zla.Neka ocistite prvo svoje dvoriste pa tek onda gledajte u tudje.

ne mogu da prate dobro,ne mogu imati zelju za dobrim (vecina) a zasto? Pa...vidi kako se jedan pop ponasa...cemu ga uce u skoli? Uce ga da mrzi sve sto je Muslimansko, i onda on uci ostatak svijeta na misama da mrze sve sto je Muslimansko,a naravno... veoma je lako manipulisati masom koja cita kako se Isus (Bog) moli Bogu i pri tome ga pita "zasto si me napustio?", odnosno pita sam sebe zasto je sam sebe napustio, a da je istovremeno i on sam Bog, a to shvataju sasvim normalnim...

Ako mene pitas, prije 500 godina se desilo nesto najljepse, na ove prostore dosao je Islam! Svidalo se to Krscanima ili ne... Islam je tu, svidalo se to ili ne. Eh sada, to sto su Turci vecinom quazi-muslimani je nesto sasvim drugo... srecom sve o religiji saznajem sam, ne trebaju mi ni hodze ni popovi da bih shvatio neke stvari... dakle, protivim se religiji sa koljena na koljeno(mislim da tu nastaju fanatici sa obje strane)... izvoli, zasuci rukave i saznaj ako te interesuje. A dovoljno mi je i to da i dan danas Islam se siri, a Muslimani nemaju taj "mac", da shvatim kako je prisiljavanje na bilo sta apsurdan pojam, jer u biti... ko me moze natjerati da vjerujem u nesto na silu ? Moze me samo ubiti! A po Islamu, ubiti neduzna covjeka, znaci zagarantovan pakao preuzimanjem svih grijeha zrtve...

e ovako.sada cu biti kulturan i fin.
da bi ste shvatili Svetotrojicnu tajnu morate procitati dela svetih otaca a oni su svoja verovanja i ucenja temeljili na bibliji.ja samo kazem da valjda nisu toliki svetci bili ludi kada su verovali u Boga u kakvog mi i dan-danas verujemo.
Muhamed je kao putujuci trgovac pokupio neke elemente iz drugih relegija sa kojima se susreo, ubacio nesto svoje i stvorio islam.dok je Hristos samo takoreci usavrsio judejsku religiju tj. unapredio je verovanje judejaca koje je postojalo dve hiljade godina pre Njega.
molim doticne osobe da ne opravdavaju dzihad jer je nemoguce to uraditi.Bog kakav god da je je Bog ljubavi i mira a ne Bog rata i unistenja.da li ce Bog oprostiti 5000 ljudi koji su ubijeni u napadu na bliznakinje?
jos samo da kazem da je biblija bez tumacenja mrtvo slovo na papiru.dakle, da bi ste razumeli bibliju treba citati i u tumacenja svetih otaca a ne to raditi proizvoljno.tako i jesu nastale mnoge jeresi i sekte.samo jos da podsetim da je Arije, koji je tvrdio da Hristos nije Bog nego najsavrsenije Bozije stvorenje, se raspao u jednom wc-u kada je otisao da vrsi nuzdu.ja ne kazem da ce svi koji tvrde da Hristos nije Bog raspasti ali treba da im Arije sluzi kao neki primer ili opomena.
toliko od mene za sada.
P.S. emirz brate mir i tebi i domu tvome.tema koju si pokrenuo je bila ne mestu.svaka cast.ali ipak zna se na cijoj je strani istina.