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Religija i putovanje kroz vreme

Vrlo je interesantno da za bilo koju religiju koja proglasava obistinjenje i ispunjenje prorocanstva,
neophodno je da mora da proglasi da u najmanju ruku moze preneti informaciju iz buducnosti u proslost.
I hriscanskoj teologiji na primer smatra se da Bog postoji i nezavistan je od prostora i vremena .
Posto se smatra sveprisutnim i svemogucim.Izjave Isusa u Bibliji kao "pre nego sto je Abraham rodjen ja sam.(Jovan 8:58) i tvrdnja Petra da je Isus izabran pre kreacije sveta (Petar 1:20) bi bile nerazumne ukoliko pretpostavljamo da je kreacija sveta
pocela od t =0 vremenu, to opet navodi na pretpostavku da Bog ne okupira istu vremensku liniju poput ljudi na zemlji.
Ovo cak moze da se vidi i bude podrzano u recenici"Ja sam Gospod i ja se ne menjam"(Malachi 3:6) sa obzirom da promena zahteva kretanje koje je ograniceno sa privremenim prelazom.
popularna tumacenja ove recenice su prvo Bog postoji izvan vremena i prostora ili postoji u svakoj tacki vremena i prostora u isto vreme.
U svakom slucaju u teoriji Bog moze da prenese informaciju od jedne do druge tacke bez ikakve restrikcije.

Takodje Isus prica u Judinom jevandjelu o svetoj generaciji ljudi svetla iz buducnosti koji su jedini koji ce ga razumeti
i o njegovoj poseti njima sto opet navodi na putovanje kroz vreme.

Posto vreme kao dimenzija postoji u nasem Univerzumu ,sve pre ili kasnije sve vodi raspadu i nekakvom kraju i smrti
sto znaci da je jedna ili vise lokacija zauvek vecnog Raja bi bila u jednom  od drugih Univerzuma gde vreme  uopste ne postoji ili protice vrlo sporo.
U Hinduizmu se kaze da jedan Bramin dan traje 324 miliona ljudskih godina.
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Ako je teorija o Multi-Univerzumima tacna, dalja teorija bi bila da su sve religije ispravne i da svaka ima svoje relame ili Univerzume a raznovrsnost religija na jednom mestu ne bi bila ogranicena granicama naseg Univerzuma sto dalje znaci za svakog slobodan izbor kao i to da slobodna volja coveka ne bi bila ogranicena samim zivotom vec pravim izborom posle smrti koja nije kraj vec unapredjenje.



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To je mala misterija jer Isus kaze niko u ovom Eonu nece je videti i njima nece vladati ni andjeli ni zvezde a nijedna  smrtna osoba takodje nece biti asocirana sa njima je dolaze odnegde drugde.

Takodje obrati paznju kako se Juda izrazio kada je oslovio Isusa "Znam ko si i odakle dolazis ."Ti si besmrtnog relama Barbarelo."interesantno da nije koristio uobicajene reci Boziji Vrt ili Raj reci koje se malo kasnije jasno pojavljuju u tekstu.

Isto kao i Isusovo obracanje Judi kao trinaestom duhu je interesantno .

THE GOSPEL OF JUDAS

INTRODUCTION: INCIPIT
The secret account of the revelation that Jesus spoke in conversation with Judas Iscariot
during a week three days before he celebrated Passover.
Tajni zapis otkrovenja koji je Isus rekao u konverzaciji sa Judom Iskariotom u nedelji tri dana pre Velikog Praznika.

THE EARTHLY MINISTRY OF JESUS
When Jesus appeared on earth, he performed miracles and great wonders for the salvation
of humanity. And since some [walked] in the way of righteousness while others walked
in their transgressions, the twelve disciples were called.

He began to speak with them about the mysteries beyond the world and what would take place at the end.
Poceo je da prica sa njima o misterijama sveta i o tome sta ce se desiti na kraju.

Often he did not appear to his disciples as himself, but he was found among them as a child.
Cesto se nije prikazivao svojim sledbenicima u svom liku ,nego bi nekad bio otkriven medju njima kao dete.

SCENE 1: Jesus dialogues with his disciples: The prayer of thanksgiving or the eucharist
One day he was with his disciples in Judea, and he found them gathered together and
seated in pious observance. When he [approached] his disciples, [34] gathered together
and seated and offering a prayer of thanksgiving over the bread, [he] laughed.
The disciples said to [him], “Master, why are you laughing at [our] prayer of
thanksgiving? We have done what is right.”
He answered and said to them, “I am not laughing at you. <You> are not doing this
because of your own will but because it is through this that your god [will be] praised.”
They said, “Master, you are […] the son of our god.”

Jesus said to them, “How do you know me? Truly [I] say to you, no generation of the
people that are among you will know me.”
Isus im je tada rekao"kako me znate ?" uistinu vam kazem ,nijedna generacija ljudi koja je medju vama ce me znati."

THE DISCIPLES BECOME ANGRY
When his disciples heard this, they started getting angry and infuriated and began
blaspheming against him in their hearts.
When Jesus observed their lack of [understanding, he said] to them, “Why has this
agitation led you to anger? Your god who is within you and […] [35] have provoked you
to anger [within] your souls. [Let] any one of you who is [strong enough] among human
beings bring out the perfect human and stand before my face.”
They all said, “We have the strength.”
But their spirits did not dare to stand before [him], except for Judas Iscariot. He was
able to stand before him, but he could not look him in the eyes, and he turned his face
away.
Judas [said] to him, “I know who you are and where you have come from. You are
from the immortal realm of Barbelo. And I am not worthy to utter the name of the one
who has sent you.”
JESUS SPEAKS TO JUDAS PRIVATELY
Knowing that Judas was reflecting upon something that was exalted, Jesus said to him,
“Step away from the others and I shall tell you the mysteries of the kingdom. It is
possible for you to reach it, but you will grieve a great deal. [36] For someone else will
replace you, in order that the twelve [disciples] may again come to completion with their
god.”
Judas said to him, “When will you tell me these things, and [when] will the great day
of light dawn for the generation?”
But when he said this, Jesus left him.
SCENE 2: Jesus appears to the disciples again
The next morning, after this happened, Jesus [appeared] to his disciples again.
They said to him, “Master, where did you go and what did you do when you left us?”
Jesus said to them, “I went to another great and holy generation.”
His disciples said to him, “Lord, what is the great generation that is superior to us and
holier than us, that is not now in these realms?”
When Jesus heard this, he laughed and said to them, “Why are you thinking in your
hearts about the strong and holy generation of light? [37] Truly [I] say to you, no one born [of]
this aeon will see that [generation], and no host of angels of the stars will rule over that
generation, and no person of mortal birth can associate with it, because that generation
does not come from […] which has become […]. The generation of people among [you]
is from the generation of humanity […] power, which [… the] other powers […] by
[which] you rule.”
When [his] disciples heard this, they each were troubled in spirit. They could not say a
word.
Another day Jesus came up to [them]. They said to [him], “Master, we have seen you
in a [vision], for we have had great [dreams …] night […].”
[He said], “Why have [you … when] <you> have gone into hiding?” [38]
THE DISCIPLES SEE THE TEMPLE AND DISCUSS IT
They [said, “We have seen] a great [house with a large] altar [in it, and] twelve
men—they are the priests, we would say—and a name; and a crowd of people is waiting
at that altar, [until] the priests [… and receive] the offerings. [But] we kept waiting.”
[Jesus said], “What are [the priests] like?”
They [said, “Some …] two weeks; [some] sacrifice their own children, others their
wives, in praise [and] humility with each other; some sleep with men; some are involved
in [slaughter]; some commit a multitude of sins and deeds of lawlessness. And the men
who stand [before] the altar invoke your [name], [39] and in all the deeds of their
deficiency, the sacrifices are brought to completion […].”
After they said this, they were quiet, for they were troubled.
JESUS OFFERS AN ALLEGORICAL INTERPRETATION OF THE VISION OF THE TEMPLE
Jesus said to them, “Why are you troubled? Truly I say to you, all the priests who stand
before that altar invoke my name. Again I say to you, my name has been written on this
[…] of the generations of the stars through the human generations. [And they] have
planted trees without fruit, in my name, in a shameful manner.”
Jesus said to them, “Those you have seen receiving the offerings at the altar—that is
who you are. That is the god you serve, and you are those twelve men you have seen. The
cattle you have seen brought for sacrifice are the many people you lead astray [40] before
that altar. […] will stand and make use of my name in this way, and generations of the
pious will remain loyal to him. After hi another man will stand there from [the
fornicators], and another [will] stand there from the slayers of children, and another from
those who sleep with men, and those who abstain, and the rest of the people of pollution
and lawlessness and error, and those who say, ‘We are like angels’; they are the stars that
bring everything to its conclusion. For to the human generations it has been said, ‘Look,
God has received your sacrifice from the hands of a priest’—that is, a minister of error.
But it is the Lord, the Lord of the universe, who commands, ‘On the last day they will be
put to shame.’” [41]
Jesus said [to them], “Stop sac[rificing …] which you have […] over the altar, since
they are over your stars and your angels and have already come to their conclusion there.
So let them be [ensnared] before you, and let them go [—about 15 lines missing—]
generations […]. A baker cannot feed all creation [42] under [heaven]. And […] to them
[…] and […] to us and […].
Jesus said to them, “Stop struggling with me. Each of you has his own star, and
every[body—about 17 lines missing—] [43] in […] who has come [… spring] for the tree
[…] of this aeon […] for a time […] but he has come to water God’s paradise, and the
[generation] that will last, because [he] will not defile the [walk of life of] that
generation, but […] for all eternity.”
JUDAS ASKS JESUS ABOUT THAT GENERATION AND HUMAN GENERATIONS
Judas said to [him, “Rabb]i, what kind of fruit does this generation produce?”
Jesus said, “The souls of every human generation will die. When these people,
however, have completed the time of the kingdom and the spirit leaves them, their bodies
will die but their souls will be alive, and they will be taken up.”
Judas said, “And what will the rest of the human generations do?”
Jesus said, “It is impossible [44] to sow seed on [rock] and harvest its fruit. [This] is
also the way […] the [defiled] generation […] and corruptible Sophia […] the hand that
has created mortal people, so that their souls go up to the eternal realms above. [Truly] I
say to you, […] angel […] power will be able to see that […] these to whom […] holy
generations […].”
After Jesus said this, he departed.
SCENE 3: Judas recounts a vision and Jesus responds
Judas said, “Master, as you have listened to all of them, now also listen to me. For I have
seen a great vision.”
When Jesus heard this, he laughed and said to him, “You thirteenth spirit, why do you
try so hard? But speak up, and I shall bear with you.”
Judas said to him, “In the vision I saw myself as the twelve disciples were stoning me
and [45] persecuting [me severely]. And I also came to the place where […] after you. I
saw [a house …], and my eyes could not [comprehend] its size. Great people were
surrounding it, and that house <had> a roof of greenery, and in the middle of the house
was [a crowd—two lines missing—], saying, ‘Master, take me in along with these
people.’”
[Jesus] answered and said, “Judas, your star has led you astray.” He continued, “No
person of mortal birth is worthy to enter the house you have seen, for that place is
reserved for the holy. Neither the sun nor the moon will rule there, nor the day, but the
holy will abide there always, in the eternal realm with the holy angels. Look, I have
explained to you the mysteries of the kingdom [46] and I have taught you about the error
of the stars; and […] send it […] on the twelve aeons.”
JUDAS ASKS ABOUT HIS OWN FATE
Judas said, “Master, could it be that my seed is under the control of the rulers?”
Jesus answered and said to him, “Come, that I [—two lines missing—], but that you
will grieve much when you see the kingdom and all its generation.”
When he heard this, Judas said to him, “What good is it that I have received it? For
you have set me apart for that generation.”

Jesus answered and said, “You will become the thirteenth, and you will be cursed by
the other generations—and you will come to rule over them. In the last days they will
curse your ascent [47] to the holy [generation].”

Isus mu je odgovorio i rekao,"Ti ces postati trinaesti i bices proklet od drugih generacija -ali  ti ces vladati njima.
U zadnjim danima oni ce proklinjati tvoje uzdizanje prema svetoj generaciji."

JESUS TEACHES JUDAS ABOUT COSMOLOGY: THE SPIRIT AND THE SELF-GENERATED
Isus uci Judu o kosmologiji :Duhu i samo-stvorenju

Jesus said, “[Come], that I may teach you about [secrets] no person [has] ever seen.
Dodji rece da mogu da te ucim o tajnama koje ni jedna osoba nije jos videla.

For there exists a great and boundless realm, whose extent no generation of angels has seen,
Jer postoji Veliki i neograniceni relam ,ciju velicinu cak ni sve generacije andjela nisu videle.

[in which] there is [a] great invisible [Spirit],
U njoj je Veliki Nevidljivi Duh

which no eye of an angel has ever seen,
nijedno oko Andjela jos videlo nije,

no thought of the heart has ever comprehended,
ni jedna misao ili srce ga je ikada shvatilo

and it was never called by any name.
i nikada nije zvan po nikakvom imenu

“And a luminous cloud appeared there. He said, ‘Let an angel come into being as my attendant.’
I  floroscentni oblak se pojavi tamo,"Pusti andjela da dodje u moje bice i bude moj asistent.

“A great angel, the enlightened divine Self-Generated, emerged from the cloud.
Because of him, four other angels came into being from another cloud, and they became
attendants for the angelic Self-Generated. The Self-Generated said, [48] ‘Let […] come
into being […],’ and it came into being […]. And he [created] the first luminary to reign
over him. He said, ‘Let angels come into being to serve [him],’ and myriads without
number came into being. He said, ‘[Let] an enlightened aeon come into being,’ and he
came into being. He created the second luminary [to] reign over him, together with
myriads of angels without number, to offer service. That is how he created the rest of the
enlightened aeons. He made them reign over them, and he created for them myriads of
angels without number, to assist them.
ADAMAS AND THE LUMINARIES
“Adamas was in the first luminous cloud that no angel has ever seen among all those
called ‘God.’ He [49] […] that […] the image […] and after the likeness of [this] angel.
He made the incorruptible [generation] of Seth appear […] the twelve […] the twentyfour
[…]. He made seventy-two luminaries appear in the incorruptible generation, in
accordance with the will of the Spirit. The seventy-two luminaries themselves made three

( Ovo je interesantno zato sto na putu prosvetljenja sto si blize cilju imas vise izazova u vidu raznih Duhovnih sila kaze se da je kralj Solomon vladao ili imao podredjeno 72 duha ili entiteta.
Abraham sa 333 a na primer u Sekspirovoj drami Prospero je vladao ili komandovao sa samo dva entiteta Cilibanom i Arijelom).

da nastavimo

hundred sixty luminaries appear in the incorruptible generation, in accordance with the
will of the Spirit, that their number should be five for each.
“The twelve aeons of the twelve luminaries constitute their father, with six heavens for
each aeon, so that there are seventy-two heavens for the seventy-two luminaries, and for
each [50] [of them five] firmaments, [for a total of] three hundred sixty [firmaments …].
They were given authority and a [great] host of angels [without number], for glory and
adoration, [and after that also] virgin spirits, for glory and [adoration] of all the aeons and
the heavens and their firmaments.

THE COSMOS, CHAOS, AND THE UNDERWORLD
“The multitude of those immortals is called the cosmos— that is, perdition—by the
Father and the seventy-two luminaries who are with the Self-Generated and his seventytwo
aeons. In him the first human appeared with his incorruptible powers. And the aeon
that appeared with his generation, the aeon in whom are the cloud of knowledge and the
angel, is called [51] El. […] aeon […] after that […] said, ‘Let twelve angels come into
being [to] rule over chaos and the [underworld].’ And look, from the cloud there
appeared an [angel] whose face flashed with fire and whose appearance was defiled with
blood. His name was Nebro, which means ‘rebel’; others call him Yaldabaoth. Another
angel, Saklas, also came from the cloud. So Nebro created six angels—as well as
Saklas—to be assistants, and these produced twelve angels in the heavens, with each one
receiving a portion in the heavens.
THE RULERS AND ANGELS
“The twelve rulers spoke with the twelve angels: ‘Let each of you [52] […] and let them
[…] generation [—one line lost—] angels’:
The first is [S]eth, who is called Christ.
The [second] is Harmathoth, who is […].
The [third] is Galila.
The fourth is Yobel.
The fifth [is] Adonaios.
These are the five who ruled over the underworld, and first of all over chaos.
THE CREATION OF HUMANITY
“Then Saklas said to his angels, ‘Let us create a human being after the likeness and after
the image.’ They fashioned Adam and his wife Eve, who is called, in the cloud, Zoe. For
by this name all the generations seek the man, and each of them calls the woman by these
names. Now, Sakla did not [53] com[mand …] except […] the gene[rations …] this […].
And the [ruler] said to Adam, ‘You shall live long, with your children.’”
JUDAS ASKS ABOUT THE DESTINY OF ADAM AND HUMANITY
Judas said to Jesus, “[What] is the long duration of time that the human being will live?”
Jesus said, “Why are you wondering about this, that Adam, with his generation, has
lived his span of life in the place where he has received his kingdom, with longevity with
his ruler?”
Judas said to Jesus, “Does the human spirit die?”
Jesus said, “This is why God ordered Michael to give the spirits of people to them as aloan, so that they might offer service, but the Great One ordered Gabriel to grant spirits to the great generation with no ruler over it—that is, the spirit and the soul.
Juda je rekao Isusu,"Da li Ljudski duh umire"?
Isus je rekao ,"Ovo je zbog toga sto je Bog naredio Mihajlu da da duhove ljudima kao pozajmicu tako da mogu da ponude uslugu,Veliki je naredio Gabrijelu da garantuje duhove velikoj generaciji bez vladara da vlada njima to jest duh i dusu.

Therefore, the
[rest] of the souls [54] [—one line missing—].
JESUS DISCUSSES THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WICKED WITH JUDAS AND OTHERS
“[…] light [—nearly two lines missing—] around […] let […] spirit [that is] within you
dwell in this [flesh] among the generations of angels. But God caused knowledge to be
[given] to Adam and those with him, so that the kings of chaos and the underworld might
not lord it over them.”
Judas said to Jesus, “So what will those generations do?”
Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, for all of them the stars bring matters to completion.
When Saklas completes the span of time assigned for him, their first star will appear with
the generations, and they will finish what they said they would do. Then they will
fornicate in my name and slay their children [55] and they will […] and [—about six and
a half lines missing—] my name, and he will […] your star over the [thir]teenth aeon.”
After that Jesus [laughed].
[Judas said], “Master, [why are you laughing at us]?”
[Jesus] answered [and said], “I am not laughing [at you] but at the error of the stars,
because these six stars wander about with these five combatants, and they all will be
destroyed along with their creatures.”
JESUS SPEAKS OF THOSE WHO ARE BAPTIZED, AND JUDAS’S BETRAYAL
Judas said to Jesus, “Look, what will those who have been baptized in your name do?”
Jesus said, “Truly I say [to you], this baptism [56] […] my name [—about nine lines
missing—] to me. Truly [I] say to you, Judas, [those who] offer sacrifices to Saklas […]
God [—three lines missing—] everything that is evil.
“But you will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me.
Already your horn has been raised,
your wrath has been kindled,
your star has shown brightly,
and your heart has […]. [57]
“Truly […] your last […] become [—about two and a half lines missing—], grieve
[—about two lines missing—] the ruler, since he will be destroyed. And then the image
of the great generation of Adam will be exalted, for prior to heaven, earth, and the angels,
that generation, which is from the eternal realms, exists. Look, you have been told
everything. Lift up your eyes and look at the cloud and the light within it and the stars
surrounding it. The star that leads the way is your star.”
Judas lifted up his eyes and saw the luminous cloud, and he entered it. Those standing
on the ground heard a voice coming from the cloud, saying, [58] […] great generation
[…] … image […] [—about five lines missing—].
CONCLUSION: JUDAS BETRAYS JESUS
[…] Their high priests murmured because [he] had gone into the guest room for his
prayer. But some scribes were there watching carefully in order to arrest him during the
prayer, for they were afraid of the people, since he was regarded by all as a prophet.
They approached Judas and said to him, “What are you doing here? You are Jesus’
disciple.”
Judas answered them as they wished. And he received some money and handed him over
to them.
THE GOSPEL OF JUDAS

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Ja vidim da je isus neodredjen. Na primer navodno kada je bio razapet je bilo pomracenje, zemljotres i mrtvi su izasli iz groba ili kako vec, a naravno nijedan istoricar nije obelezio i ubelezio ovu natprirodnu pojavu. Zombiji u basti su bili ocigledno svakodnevna pojava  Smile
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Ja vidim da je isus neodredjen. Na primer navodno kada je bio razapet je bilo pomracenje, zemljotres i mrtvi su izasli iz groba ili kako vec, a naravno nijedan istoricar nije obelezio i ubelezio ovu natprirodnu pojavu. Zombiji u basti su bili ocigledno svakodnevna pojava Smile
ali šta je sa Lazarom kojeg je digao iz mrtvih???? jeli i on bio zombi koji je hodao uokolo
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Sta je sa Lazarom? Gde je podrska istoricara za njegovo postajanje i dizanje iz mrtvih?
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