Joj RF ...da nisi mozda zalutao na temu?Ko nas je bombardovao i zasto ,o tome mozes da diskutujes na Politickom delu foruma.Ideologija Rusizma je odavno bacena ,zato iznosi bar po neki argumentovani dokaz uz te price sto iznosis.A pravo da ti kazem ti kao ljubitelj Ruske ratne tehnike da ne znas osnovnu razliku izmedju S-37 i SU-34........onda jebiga.

mislim da nisi sasvim u pravu sto se tice toga da su su-37 i s-37 isti avioni samo sa razl. strelom. Oba jesu tehnoloski demonstratori, i trup s-37 jeste baziran na konceptu su-27, kao sto je i su-37 derivat istog aviona, ali s-37 se dosta razlikuje u od su-27 ne samo po streli krla, vec i po ostatku trupa. Primeti vert.stabilizatore koji su pod uglom, za razl. od su-37 ciji su pod pravim uglom, zatim usisnici, koji su kod su-37 cetvrtasti, a kod s-37 ovalni i u "semi ventral" poziciji, slicno kao kod F-18.
Inace su-37 je, na zalost pao u zimu, 2002. ili 2003, nisam siguran tacno, i taj projekat je napusten. Imao sam negde fotke iz kokpita, nema ni jednog jedinog dugmeta, sve displei koji su osetljivi na dodir, glasovne komande i slicno. medjutim, vojska nije bila spremna na takav tehnoloski skok, pa su se odlucili za nesto manje atraktivan Su-35, koji ima moderne displeje, ali i klasicne uredjaje, nema vektorisani potisak i sl.
Sto se tice Su-32/34 tu takodje postoji zabuna u oznakama. Poslednje sto sam ja cuo je da mornaricka verzija (ona sa plavom maskirnom shemom) ima oznaku Su-32fn i sluzi prvenstveno za napade na ciljeve na vodi (i pod vodom) i za to ima sjajne senzore npr, moze da izbaci do 40 plovaka sa sonarima i da na taj nacin locira podmornicu. Verzija za prodore u dubinu neprijateljske teritorije ima oznaku Su-34 i zelenu maskirnu shemu, kao i sirok spektar vodjenih i nevodjenih sredstava. Obe varijante su slicne, samo se razlikuju po delu opreme koju nose i maskirnoj shemi. U narednih nekoliko godina treba da u potpunosti zamene vec ostarele, ali meni omiljene Su-24.

Su-37

Country of Origin     Russia
Builder    Sukhoi
Role    Multi-role fighter
Similar Aircraft    
Wing Span    15.16 m / 49 ft 9 in
Length    21.94 m / 72 ft
Height    6.84 m / 22 ft 5 in
Weight    40,565 lb empty / 74,956 lb max. take off
Engine    Two Lyulka AL-37FU vectored-thrust afterburning turbofans, 30,855 lb thrust each
Maximum speed    2,440 km/h / 1,516 mph
Cruising speed    
Range    3,500 km / 2,175 miles
Service Ceiling    59,000 ft
Armament    One GSh-30-1 30mm cannon, plus up to 18,075 lb including R-73/R-77 AAMs, ASMs, bombs, rockets, drop tanks, and ECM pods carried on fourteen external points
Crew    1
Cost    
User Countries    under development for Russia


Su-47 [S-37] Berkut

Specifications
Country of Origin    Russia
Builder    Sukhoi
Role    
Similar Aircraft    
Wingspan:    15.16 m - 16.7 m
Length overall:    22.2 m - 22.6 m
Height overall    6.36 m - 6.40 m
Weight empty, equipped :    24,000 kg (52,910 lb) -- 26000 kg (57,320 lb)
Max T-O weight :    34,000 kg (74,960 lb)
Engines:    2 Perm Aviadvigatel D-30F6 (34,170 lbst), or
2 Saturn/Lyul'ka AL-37FU afterburning 142.2 kN (31,966 lb st) with afterburning
thrust-vectoring in pitch -20o to 20o at 30o per second
Max level speed at height :    2,500km/h (1,350 knots)
Max level speed at S/L :     1,400km/h (756 knots)
Service ceiling :    18,000 m (59,050 ft)
Range with max fuel at height :    1,782 nm (3,300 km/2,050 miles)
Number of hardpoints:    14: 2 wingtip, 6-8 underwing, 6-4 conformal underfuselage
Air-to-air :    R-77, R-77PD, R-73, K-74
Air-to-surface:    X-29T, X-29L, X-59M, X-31P, X-31A, KAB-500, KAB-1500
Crew:    1



Su-34 (Su-27IB) Flanker Fighter Bomber Aircraft, Russia

Crew   2
Dimensions   
Length   23.34 metres
Height   6.36 metres
wing span   14.05 metres
Weight   
normal take-off weight   39,000 kg
maximum take-off weight   45,100 kg
normal combat load weight   4,000 kg
maximum combat load weight   8,000 kg
Fuel, internal tanks   12,100 kg
fuel with external fuel tanks   19,300 kg
Performance   
maximum g-load   7g
Speed   
maximum low altitude speed   1,300 km/hr
maximum high altitude speed   1,900 km/hr
service ceiling   14,000 metres
Runway   
Take-off run   1,260 metres
landing run   2,100 metres
landing run with brake parachute   950 metres
Range   
near ground radius of action, at 900 km/hr and normal combat load, internal fuel tanks   600 kilometres
near ground radius of action, at 900 km/hour and normal combat load, with external fuel tanks   1,130 kilometres
ferry range with external fuel tanks   4,500 kilometres
Weapons   
Gun   one GSh-301
Ammunition   180 rounds
firing rate   1,500 rounds per minute
Missiles   R-73 short range air-to-air missile
   Air-to-air missiles,target designation for air-to-air missiles
   high precision autonomous air-to-surface missiles
   guided air-to-surface missiles
   Anti-radiation missiles
   air to ship missiles
   controlled and guided aerial bombs
   unguided bombs and rockets
R-73 air-to-air missile   
maximum launch weight   105 kg
Warhead   7.3 kilograms, rod type
Guidance   cooled infra-red
Dimensions   
Length   2.9 metres
Diameter   0.17 metres
fin span   0.51 metres
maximum launch range   20 kilometres
minimum range of aft hemisphere launch   300 metres
target acceleration g load   12g
kill probability fighter target   0.6
maximum target speed   2,500 km/h
target altitudes   0.02 to 20 km
RW-ae medium range air-to-air missile   
launch weight   175 kg
Warhead   21 kg, rod type
Guidance   active radar homing, radio corrected inertial navigation for on-trajectory target lock-on and missile retargeting
maximum target speed   3,600 km/h
target acceleration g load   12g
kill probability fighter target   0.7
Dimensions   
Length   3.6 metres
Diameter   0.2 metres
fin span   0.75 metres
target altitude   0.02 to 25 kilometre
minimum range of aft hemisphere launch   300 metres
maximum vertical separation of target and host aircraft and target   10 kilometres

ovo je moja greska hteo sam da napisem su 47
cesto umes da prepisujes ali to nije tema tema je da ti mislis pogresno da su 47 nije borbeni avion i da je to razlicit avion od s 37

mislim da ti mene nisi razumeo, ja se stvarno ne secam gde sam rekao da su terminator i berkut isti avioni
oni nose istu oznaku su-37 ali samo iz razloga jer su exprimenti, test avioni. dakle nisu u operativnoj upotrebi. cak se za berkut vezuje , po nekim izvorima, oznaka su-47 ali redje nego su-37 c berkut. jednostavno on nije u serijskoj proizvodnji dakle galvni zavod armije za registraciju mu nije dodelio oznaku, vec ima oznaku projekta.
nadam se da je sad jasnije.

evo da ne bude zabune ovo je su 47

Su-47 (S-37) Berkut Experimental Fighter Aircraft, Russia

The Sukhoi Design Bureau of Moscow, Russia has developed the Su-47 (previously called the S-37 Berkut or Golden Eagle) fighter aircraft, which first flew in September 1997. Su-47 is in a forward swept wing configuration and uses a highly unstable triplane (with three main lifting surfaces) aerodynamic configuration. The Su-47 completed the first stage of flight trials in December 2001. In May 2002, Sukhoi was selected as prime contractor for the next-generation Russian PAK FA fighter programme. The PAK FA will be a development of the Su-47 but without the forward swept wings.

The design of the very high manoeuvrability prototype is based on the avionics and aerodynamics technologies developed for the Su-27 upgrade programme. Some of the systems and component designs from the Su-27, (the all weather supersonic fighter aircraft with NATO reporting name Flanker), have been used in the Su-47, for example the design of the canopy, landing gear, some of the avionics and the near-vertical tails.

MANOEUVRABILITY

The Su-47 has extremely high agility at subsonic speeds enabling the aircraft to alter its angle of attack and its flight path very quickly, and it also retains manoeuvrability in supersonic flight.

Maximum turn rates and the upper and lower limits on air speed for weapon launch are important criteria in terms of combat superiority. The Su-47 aircraft has very high levels of manoeuvrability with maintained stability and controllability at all angles of attack.

Maximum turn rates are important in close combat and also at medium and long range, when the mission may involve engaging consecutive targets in different sectors of the airspace. A high turn rate of the Su-47 allows the pilot to turn the fighter aircraft quickly towards the next target to initiate the weapon launch.

The swept-forward wing, compared to a swept-back wing of the same area, provides a number of advantages: higher lift to drag ratio; higher capacity in dogfight manoeuvres; higher range at subsonic speed; improved stall resistance and anti-spin characteristics; improved stability at high angles of attack; a lower minimum flight speed; and a shorter take-off and landing distance.

FUSELAGE

The Su-47 fuselage is oval in cross section and the airframe is constructed mainly of aluminium and titanium alloys and 13 per cent by weight of composite materials.

The nose radome is slightly flattened at the fore section and has a horizontal edge to optimise the aircraft's anti-spin characteristics.

WINGS

The forward swept midwing gives the unusual and characteristic appearance of the Su-47. A substantial part of the lift generated by the forward-swept wing occurs at the inner portion of the wingspan. The lift is not restricted by wingtip stall. The ailerons - the wing's control surfaces - remain effective at the highest angles of attack, and controllability of the aircraft is retained even in the event of airflow separating from the remainder of the wings' surface.

The wing panels of the Su-47 are constructed of nearly 90% composites. The forward-swept midwing has a high aspect ratio, which contributes to long-range performance. The leading-edge root extensions blend smoothly to the wing panels, which are fitted with deflectable slats on the leading edge; flaps and ailerons on the trailing edge.

The all-moving and small-area trapezoidal canards are connected to the leading-edge root extensions.

COCKPIT

The cockpit's design has focused on maintaining a high degree of comfort for the pilot and also on the pilot being able to control the aircraft in extremely high G-load manoeuvres. The aircraft is equipped with a new ejection seat and life support system. The variable geometry adaptive ejection seat is inclined at an angle of 60°, which reduces the impact of high G forces on the pilot. The seat allows dogfight manoeuvres with significantly higher G loadings than can normally be tolerated by the pilot.

The pilot uses a side-mounted, low-travel control stick and a tensometric throttle control.

LANDING GEAR

The aircraft uses a retractable tricycle-type landing gear with a single wheel at each unit. The smaller nose wheel retracts towards the rear and the two mainwheels retract forward into the wing roots.

avion je isti mozda sa malim izmenama i borbeni je nije u serijskoj proizvodnji jos

nerazumem sto si postavio post koji je indentican mom

a gde ti je post

iznad gde su slike tri aviona jos jutros postavljeno , da nebi doslo de measnja

to uopste nije post a ja sam ovakav post napisao i ranije tako da si ti napisao isti post kao ja u tom slucaju