Po meni to jednostavno nije prihvatljivo jer svako treba da ima pravo na slobodu licnosti. Dok god ona ne ugrozava druge, ne bi je trebalo ogranicavati. Poljubac i peting nisu iste stvari. Jasno je sta je neko prosto iskazivanje emocija, a sta je korak do seksualnog odnosa.
Vidis, po tebi su krseni interesi naroda Iraka, po meni su branjeni. Ako te neko brani od tiranije, to onda nije napad na tvoju slobodu, vec odbrana iste. Isto vazi i za Avganistan. Talibanski rezim je u tom nivou sankcionisao svaka ljudska prava da bi nereagovanje bilo los potez.

Kako nema i jedni i drugi su hteli demokratiju i prosperitet. Kinezi su je i dobili što se iz proteklih 15 godina vidi a Srbi su dobili 30 dana za batinjanje u policijskim stanicama, političke osude, verbalni delikt i samo još fale gulazi po Srebrnom Jezeru (Ramskom Ritu)

обожавам овакве примере брањења интереса,демократије итд,итд





храбри и дивни амерички војници у спашавању ирачког народа од тираније
коки...кул си дечко и све то али морам ти рећи....не сери

I cekaj, pojedinacni negativni primeri (kojih je bila gomila, i zaista ogroman broj, to nije sporno) celu ideju obesmisljava? Naravno da ne.
To sto su pod onim drugim rezimom mnogo gori zlocini vrseni, ne opravdava ovakvo ponasanje ni najmanje, ali ni ne obesmisljava akciju koja je do toga dovela.


A da se mi vratimo na temu, obzirom da ovo nikakve veze nema ni sa ljudskim pravima u Kini, ni dodelom Nobelove nagrade za mir.

појединачни....
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COUNTRY OR STATE   Dates of intervention   Forces   Comments
SOUTH DAKOTA    1890 (-?)    Troops   300 Lakota Indians massacred at Wounded Knee.
ARGENTINA   1890   Troops   Buenos Aires interests protected.
CHILE   1891   Troops   Marines clash with nationalist rebels.
HAITI   1891   Troops   Black revolt on Navassa defeated.
IDAHO   1892   Troops   Army suppresses silver miners' strike.
HAWAII   1893 (-?)   Naval, troops   Independent kingdom overthrown, annexed.
CHICAGO   1894   Troops   Breaking of rail strike, 34 killed.
NICARAGUA   1894   Troops   Month-long occupation of Bluefields.
CHINA   1894-95   Naval, troops   Marines land in Sino-Japanese War
KOREA   1894-96   Troops   Marines kept in Seoul during war.
PANAMA   1895   Troops, naval   Marines land in Colombian province.
NICARAGUA   1896   Troops   Marines land in port of Corinto.
CHINA   1898-1900   Troops   Boxer Rebellion fought by foreign armies.
PHILIPPINES   1898-1910 (-?)   Naval, troops   Seized from Spain, killed 600,000 Filipinos
CUBA   1898-1902 (-?)   Naval, troops   Seized from Spain, still hold Navy base.
PUERTO RICO   1898 (-?)   Naval, troops   Seized from Spain, occupation continues.
GUAM   1898 (-?)   Naval, troops   Seized from Spain, still use as base.
MINNESOTA   1898 (-?)   Troops   Army battles Chippewa at Leech Lake.
NICARAGUA   1898   Troops   Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur.
SAMOA   1899 (-?)   Troops   Battle over succession to throne.
NICARAGUA   1899   Troops   Marines land at port of Bluefields.
IDAHO   1899-1901   Troops   Army occupies Coeur d'Alene mining region.
OKLAHOMA   1901   Troops   Army battles Creek Indian revolt.
PANAMA   1901-14   Naval, troops   Broke off from Colombia 1903, annexed Canal Zone 1914.
HONDURAS   1903   Troops   Marines intervene in revolution.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC   1903-04   Troops   U.S. interests protected in Revolution.
KOREA   1904-05   Troops   Marines land in Russo-Japanese War.
CUBA   1906-09   Troops   Marines land in democratic election.
NICARAGUA   1907   Troops   "Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate set up.
HONDURAS   1907   Troops   Marines land during war with Nicaragua
PANAMA   1908   Troops   Marines intervene in election contest.
NICARAGUA   1910   Troops   Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto.
HONDURAS   1911   Troops   U.S. interests protected in civil war.
CHINA   1911-41   Naval, troops   Continuous occupation with flare-ups.
CUBA   1912   Troops   U.S. interests protected in civil war.
PANAMA   1912   Troops   Marines land during heated election.
HONDURAS   1912   Troops   Marines protect U.S. economic interests.
NICARAGUA   1912-33   Troops, bombing   10-year occupation, fought guerillas
MEXICO   1913   Naval   Americans evacuated during revolution.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC   1914   Naval   Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo.
COLORADO   1914   Troops   Breaking of miners' strike by Army.
MEXICO   1914-18   Naval, troops   Series of interventions against nationalists.
HAITI   1914-34   Troops, bombing   19-year occupation after revolts.
TEXAS   1915   Troops   Federal soldiers crush "Plan of San Diego" Mexican-American rebellion
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC   1916-24   Troops   8-year Marine occupation.
CUBA   1917-33   Troops   Military occupation, economic protectorate.
WORLD WAR I   1917-18   Naval, troops   Ships sunk, fought Germany for 1 1/2 years.
RUSSIA   1918-22   Naval, troops   Five landings to fight Bolsheviks
PANAMA   1918-20   Troops   "Police duty" during unrest after elections.
HONDURAS   1919   Troops   Marines land during election campaign.
YUGOSLAVIA   1919   Troops/Marines   intervene for Italy against Serbs in Dalmatia.
GUATEMALA   1920   Troops   2-week intervention against unionists.
WEST VIRGINIA   1920-21   Troops, bombing   Army intervenes against mineworkers.
TURKEY   1922   Troops   Fought nationalists in Smyrna.
CHINA   1922-27   Naval, troops   Deployment during nationalist revolt.
HONDURAS   1924-25   Troops   Landed twice during election strife.
PANAMA   1925   Troops   Marines suppress general strike.
CHINA   1927-34   Troops   Marines stationed throughout the country.
EL SALVADOR   1932   Naval   Warships send during Marti revolt.
WASHINGTON DC   1932   Troops   Army stops WWI vet bonus protest.
WORLD WAR II   1941-45   Naval, troops, bombing, nuclear   Hawaii bombed, fought Japan, Italy and Germay for 3 years; first nuclear war.
DETROIT   1943   Troops   Army put down Black rebellion.
IRAN   1946   Nuclear threat   Soviet troops told to leave north.
YUGOSLAVIA   1946   Nuclear threat, naval   Response to shoot-down of US plane.
URUGUAY   1947   Nuclear threat   Bombers deployed as show of strength.
GREECE   1947-49   Command operation   U.S. directs extreme-right in civil war.
GERMANY   1948   Nuclear Threat   Atomic-capable bombers guard Berlin Airlift.
CHINA   1948-49   Troops/Marines   evacuate Americans before Communist victory.
PHILIPPINES   1948-54   Command operation   CIA directs war against Huk Rebellion.
PUERTO RICO   1950   Command operation   Independence rebellion crushed in Ponce.
KOREA   1951-53 (-?)   Troops, naval, bombing , nuclear threats   U.S./So. Korea fights China/No. Korea to stalemate; A-bomb threat in 1950, and against China in 1953. Still have bases.
IRAN   1953   Command Operation   CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah.
VIETNAM   1954   Nuclear threat   French offered bombs to use against seige.
GUATEMALA   1954   Command operation, bombing, nuclear threat   CIA directs exile invasion after new gov't nationalized U.S. company lands; bombers based in Nicaragua.
EGYPT   1956   Nuclear threat, troops   Soviets told to keep out of Suez crisis; Marines evacuate foreigners.
LEBANON   l958   Troops, naval   Marine occupation against rebels.
IRAQ   1958   Nuclear threat   Iraq warned against invading Kuwait.
CHINA   l958   Nuclear threat   China told not to move on Taiwan isles.
PANAMA   1958   Troops   Flag protests erupt into confrontation.
VIETNAM   l960-75   Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats   Fought South Vietnam revolt & North Vietnam; one million killed in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in l968 and l969.
CUBA   l961   Command operation   CIA-directed exile invasion fails.
GERMANY   l961   Nuclear threat   Alert during Berlin Wall crisis.
LAOS   1962   Command operation   Military buildup during guerrilla war.
 CUBA    l962    Nuclear threat, naval   Blockade during missile crisis; near-war with Soviet Union.
 IRAQ   1963   Command operation   CIA organizes coup that killed president, brings Ba'ath Party to power, and Saddam Hussein back from exile to be head of the secret service.
PANAMA   l964   Troops   Panamanians shot for urging canal's return.
INDONESIA   l965   Command operation   Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC   1965-66   Troops, bombing   Marines land during election campaign.
GUATEMALA   l966-67   Command operation   Green Berets intervene against rebels.
DETROIT   l967   Troops   Army battles African Americans, 43 killed.
UNITED STATES   l968   Troops   After King is shot; over 21,000 soldiers in cities.
CAMBODIA   l969-75   Bombing, troops, naval   Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos.
OMAN   l970   Command operation   U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion.
LAOS   l971-73   Command operation, bombing   U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside.
SOUTH DAKOTA   l973   Command operation   Army directs Wounded Knee siege of Lakotas.
MIDEAST   1973   Nuclear threat   World-wide alert during Mideast War.
CHILE   1973   Command operation   CIA-backed coup ousts elected marxist president.
CAMBODIA   l975   Troops, bombing   Gas captured ship, 28 die in copter crash.
ANGOLA   l976-92   Command operation   CIA assists South African-backed rebels.
IRAN   l980   Troops, nuclear threat, aborted bombing   Raid to rescue Embassy hostages; 8 troops die in copter-plane crash. Soviets warned not to get involved in revolution.
LIBYA   l981   Naval jets   Two Libyan jets shot down in maneuvers.
EL SALVADOR   l981-92   Command operation, troops   Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash.
NICARAGUA   l981-90   Command operation, naval   CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution.
LEBANON   l982-84   Naval, bombing, troops   Marines expel PLO and back Phalangists, Navy bombs and shells Muslim positions.
GRENADA   l983-84   Troops, bombing   Invasion four years after revolution.
HONDURAS   l983-89   Troops   Maneuvers help build bases near borders.
IRAN   l984   Jets   Two Iranian jets shot down over Persian Gulf.
LIBYA   l986   Bombing, naval   Air strikes to topple nationalist gov't.
BOLIVIA   1986   Troops   Army assists raids on cocaine region.
IRAN   l987-88   Naval, bombing   US intervenes on side of Iraq in war.
LIBYA   1989   Naval jets   Two Libyan jets shot down.
VIRGIN ISLANDS   1989   Troops   St. Croix Black unrest after storm.
PHILIPPINES   1989   Jets   Air cover provided for government against coup.
PANAMA   1989 (-?)   Troops, bombing   Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed.
LIBERIA   1990   Troops   Foreigners evacuated during civil war.
SAUDI ARABIA   1990-91   Troops, jets   Iraq countered after invading Kuwait. 540,000 troops also stationed in Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Israel.
IRAQ   1990-91   Bombing, troops, naval   Blockade of Iraqi and Jordanian ports, air strikes; 200,000+ killed in invasion of Iraq and Kuwait; large-scale destruction of Iraqi military.
KUWAIT   1991   Naval, bombing, troops   Kuwait royal family returned to throne.
 IRAQ   1991-2003   Bombing, naval   No-fly zone over Kurdish north, Shiite south; constant air strikes and naval-enforced economic sanctions
LOS ANGELES   1992   Troops   Army, Marines deployed against anti-police uprising.
SOMALIA   1992-94   Troops, naval, bombing   U.S.-led United Nations occupation during civil war; raids against one Mogadishu faction.
YUGOSLAVIA   1992-94   Naval   NATO blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.
BOSNIA   1993-?   Jets, bombing   No-fly zone patrolled in civil war; downed jets, bombed Serbs.
HAITI   1994   Troops, naval   Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup.
ZAIRE (CONGO)   1996-97   Troops   Marines at Rwandan Hutu refugee camps, in area where Congo revolution begins.
LIBERIA   1997   Troops   Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.
ALBANIA   1997   Troops   Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.
SUDAN   1998   Missiles   Attack on pharmaceutical plant alleged to be "terrorist" nerve gas plant.
AFGHANISTAN   1998   Missiles   Attack on former CIA training camps used by Islamic fundamentalist groups alleged to have attacked embassies.
IRAQ   1998   Bombing, Missiles   Four days of intensive air strikes after weapons inspectors allege Iraqi obstructions.
YUGOSLAVIA   1999   Bombing, Missiles   Heavy NATO air strikes after Serbia declines to withdraw from Kosovo. NATO occupation of Kosovo.
YEMEN   2000   Naval   USS Cole, docked in Aden, bombed.
MACEDONIA   2001   Troops   NATO forces deployed to move and disarm Albanian rebels.
UNITED STATES   2001   Jets, naval   Reaction to hijacker attacks on New York, DC
AFGHANISTAN   2001-?   Troops, bombing, missiles   Massive U.S. mobilization to overthrow Taliban, hunt Al Qaeda fighters, install Karzai regime, and battle Taliban insurgency. More than 30,000 U.S. troops and numerous private security contractors carry our occupation.
YEMEN   2002   Missiles   Predator drone missile attack on Al Qaeda, including a US citizen.
PHILIPPINES   2002-?   Troops, naval   Training mission for Philippine military fighting Abu Sayyaf rebels evolves into combat missions in Sulu Archipelago, west of Mindanao.
COLOMBIA   2003-?   Troops   US special forces sent to rebel zone to back up Colombian military protecting oil pipeline.
IRAQ   2003-?   Troops, naval, bombing, missiles   Saddam regime toppled in Baghdad. More than 250,000 U.S. personnel participate in invasion. US and UK forces occupy country and battle Sunni and Shi'ite insurgencies. More than 160,000 troops and numerous private contractors carry out occupation and build large permanent bases.
LIBERIA   2003   Troops   Brief involvement in peacekeeping force as rebels drove out leader.
HAITI   2004-05   Troops, naval     Marines land after right-wing rebels oust elected President Aristide, who was advised to leave by Washington.
PAKISTAN   2005-?   Missiles, bombing, covert operation   CIA missile and air strikes and Special Forces raids on alleged Al Qaeda and Taliban refuge villages kill multiple civilians. Drone attacks also on Pakistani Mehsud network.
SOMALIA   2006-?   Missiles, naval, covert operation   Special Forces advise Ethiopian invasion that topples Islamist government; AC-130 strikes and Cruise missile attacks against Islamist rebels; naval blockade against "pirates" and insurgents.
SYRIA   2008   Troops   Special Forces in helicopter raid 5 miles from Iraq kill 8 Syrian civilians
YEMEN   2009-?   Missiles, command operation   Cruise missile attack on Al Qaeda kills 49 civilians; Yemeni military assaults on rebels

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

како оно иде  ах да...."боље сто кривих на слободи него један невин у затвору" ...тако да.....да...ови негативни примери обесмишљавају комплетну акцију

видиш коки...твој проблем је селективна примена људских права и твоја наводна забринутост за те проблеме код појединаца који се не уклапају у твој калуп тј не певају како ти свираш....зато је теби ок да американци по концетрационим логорима муче и убијају ирачане али није ок да кина ухапси криминалца и осуде га на затворску казну

она америчка дроља држи тог човека на узици као пса...тај човек није осуђен...нема чак ни оптужнице против њега...овај у кини је добио комплет суђење....о чему ми причамо?

Nigde nisam rekao da podrzavam takvo ponasanje americke vojske. Nigde nisam rekao da to ima opravdanja.
Ipak,razlika je u tome sto to nije delo vlade SAD vec pojedinaca koji su poslate od njene strane. Ti pojedinci su dobili najostriju osudu vlade, javnosti, a i zatvorske kazne.

Za razliku od njih, Kina je osudila ovog coveka zbog toga sto se zalaze za:



Ovo je prvi put od 1936. da nagrada nece biti urucena laueratu, od kada su vlasti nacisticke Nemacke sprecile Karla van Osijeckog da primi priznanje.


Kako prenosi BBC, prijavljeno je još 120 slučajeva stavljanja u kućni pritvor, ograničenja putovanja, prisilne promene lokacije i sličnih mera.

Kuću u kojoj je zatvorena supruga ovogodišnjeg dobitnika, Liju Ksija, još od oktobra čuvaju kineski agenti bezbednosti, uniformisani i u civilu, ali danas je uočljivo njihovo pojačano prisustvo.

Čuvari proveravaju identitet svih koji ulaze, desetak novinara stoji ispred kapije, policijskih vozila ima na svakom obližnjem ćošku, službenici policije patroliraju oko zgrade, a u dvospratnom apartmanu gde živi Liju Ksija zavese su spuštene, javlja AP.

Telefonske i internet veze Lijuove supruge su isečene, a prijatelji, članovi porodice i kolege stavljeni su ili u kućni pritvor ili su pod budnim nadzorom. Nekolicini ljudi iz Liuovog okruženja, kao što su umetnik Ai Vejvei i borac za ljudska prava - advokat Mo Šaoping, zabranjeno je da izađu iz zemlje zbog bojazni Pekinga da bi oni mogli prisustvovati današnjoj dodeli Nobelove nagrade u Oslu.

да ли си ти нормалан?   дотична курветина је колико ми се чини добила годину дана...врло могуће и условно јер је у време суђења била трудна са неким копилетом

и да...лауреат неће присуствовати...нека буде срећан ако уопште поживи још месец дана

Koji je tvoj konkretno problem sa njim? To sto se zalaze za slobodu govora?

Konkretan moj problem je : U pitanju je nagrada za mir - a ne za zalaganje za visestranacje .. prosirenje ljudskih sloboda .. ili vec nesto tome slicno .. 

A ovaj je  organizovao , ucestvovao i podstrekivao rusilacke i nasilne demonstacije , ugrozavao ustavni poredak drzave i organizovao puc , rusio grad     - za sto bi u Americi dobio metak a ne kucni pritvor .

Konkretno Koki - resi ti nase dileme i jasno kazi - koje su zasluge ovog coveka za mirno resenje bilo kojeg od ratnih konflikta na planeti Zemlji ? I olaksaj nam tako da se opredelimo .