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Evo neceg interesantnog iz rusije o Gotima - Kanibalima koji ritualno ubijaju i jedu ljudsko meso u ime satanizma.

Kave su to napacene budale da urade takav zlocin  i   jadna ova druga deca sto nisu slutila sta ih ceka.

A Little More About the Russian Cannibal Satanists
Mr.Huff ;You know you really wanted to find out more about the Russian cannibal satanists, I went the extra mile for you, the reader, and with the aid of Google's translation service, my dusty old Russian/English dictionary and some other odd little tools acquired through my other career (as an opera singer -- had to have at least a nodding acquaintance with a number of languages), I put together this post with a few more details about the horrific crimes carried out in late June this year in the historic Russian Federation city of Yaroslavl.

I never write about crime in graphic, gruesome detail and am not about to change that, but I still recommend anyone with a low tolerance for this kind of thing think twice before continuing. You've been warned.

The investigation into the murders of 4 Russian teens continues in Yaroslavl. As many English language publications have noted in recent days, the teens were goth kids. Their killers were self-avowed satanists.

A few odd facts about this case have been misreported by English-speaking media. Hopefully I can fix that without adding too many goofs of my own.

The teen victims -- all aged between 15 and 17 -- vanished late last June, sparking a minor frenzy in local press at the time. No surprise there; American media would go bonkers -- even in this political season -- if 5 nice-looking teens just dropped off the face of the earth in the space of a few weeks, in the same general area.

The missing kids, Olga Pukhova, Andrei Sorokin, Varya (or possibly Varvara) Kuzmin and Anna Gorokhova, may have said that they were attending the "Invasion" Music Festival in Tver. If so, that was a lie -- the festival wouldn't take place until early July.

Their bodies were found in a remote, wooded area on August 12. The teens had been cut into pieces; their heads, arms, legs were removed. Hearts were cut from some of the victims' chests, scalps were removed, genitals excised. The remains were burned and some of the pieces eaten.

Near the burn site criminalists found a dead cat nailed to an inverted cross. In the ashes, they found curly, red, human hair from the head of one of the 3 female victims.

According to Russian press sources, 8 suspects were arrested that very day: seven teen males and one girl. All were said to be between 17 and 19 years old. They also reportedly came from 'very affluent families.'

Because the victims and alleged killers were so close in age, investigators in Yaroslavl believe they were all acquainted prior to the murders.

Some English-language outlets have reported that the remains of the victims were found 250 kilometers -- about 155 miles -- from the home of the alleged ringleader of the group of killers. Actually, the burn pit was 250 meters -- just over 800 feet -- from the home of Nikolai Ogologbyak, aka "Graf."

The same English sources have also stated that Ogolobyak said that Satan would help him 'evade responsibility' for the crimes, because the alleged cannibal had 'brought him [...] many victims.'

Russian press reports actually attribute this statement to one of Ogolobyak's followers, Anton Makovkin (spelled "Makovin" in some articles). Makovkin was known to his friends as "Dr. Got."

Another, unnamed member of the Graf's and Dr. Got's gang of fun-time cannibals tried to explain why he turned to Satan. He said he'd 'tried to turn to God,' but that didn't bring him money. After praying to Satan, the teen said, his situation improved.

The gang had been at their work for a while. Alexander Voronov (aka Raven, Hitler and Ethiopia), told of a drunken ramble through a cemetery in 2006 with Ogolobyak, Makovkin and two others, Konstantin Baranov (aka Klyk) and Alexei Chistyakov, the appropriately nicknamed "Dead." That night the boys decided to poke around in a freshly-dug grave. They ended up disinterring a young woman. Voronov then described a grisly foreshadowing of the murders of Pukhova, Sorokin, Kuzmin and Gorokhova. He said they cut the corpse into pieces and that he ate a portion of the heart before the teens left the graveyard. The body was found by the authorities and a report was written. Until Voronov's confession, police thought they had an unidentified murder victim.

Police may have missed an opportunity to stall the alleged cannibals. In May this year, (May 1, specifically -- Walpurgis Night) they began doing things like crucifying cats. At one point, they were even detained by police -- only to be released a short time later.

They probably thought their dark prayers were being answered.

A religious expert based in Yaroslavl, Eugene Mukhtarov, said he did not believe that the killers in this case were true satanists. One example of his contention that the group led by Nikolai "Graf" Ogolobyak were simply 'home-brewed' or wannabe satanists was the size of the group. "Satanists [form in groups of] thirteen people, not eight," Mukhtarov said, "[The] thirteenth - [is the] Master, the one who creates the organization."

In the first entry about this crime, at least one comment noted that the terms "goth" and "emo" were being used interchangeably in this story, even though there are distinct differences in the two teen subcultures. That may be true here in the U.S. and perhaps in the U.K., but research proved to me that the Russians tend to lump them all together into one group of kids with a strong attraction towards the morbid.

Similar crimes have happened here in the U.S. -- the Manson murders come to mind -- but they don't always have the stunning, straight-out-of-a-horror novel aspects to them like we're reading about here. It is easy to think they will not happen again. At least not any time soon. But I suppose I'm a terrible pessimist, sometimes, and don't feel so sure about that.

If something similar happens in the U.S. again, though, I feel compelled to point out that the killers won't be real satanists, real goths or real emos here, either. Such criminal acts are always much more about one charismatic, powerful psychopath who finds a way to assemble a group of weaker-minded lackeys around him -- think Rod Ferrell and his Vampire Clan. It sounds as if Nikoai Ogolobyak fit that bill here. If I translated one of the articles I read correctly, it stated that Ogolobyak was clever enough to masquerade as a fairly upstanding teen in public -- even to the point of singing in his church choir. The other teens arrested along with him were described by their teachers as "weak-minded," and that comes as no surprise.

Such a demonic dynamic is always out there, waiting to resurface. It may only be a matter of time.

 "A Little More About the Russian Cannibal Satanists."

Yes, in this blog I tend to just cover crimes happening in the U.S.A., but some stories reach right the hell across the oceans and grab my attention and just demand I take note.

The case of the missing Russian goth kids is just such a story. It reads like a suspense novel plot that was rejected for being too gruesome and improbable. Sadly, way too many English media outlets are now reporting the story as fact, so let me tell you what I've learned so far.

In late June this year, four kids were lured to the edge of the forest surrounding Yaroslavl, an ancient city located about 155 miles to the northeast of Moscow. They were enticed with the usual coin of the teenage realm, socially-speaking, the promise of a party -- in particular, partying with alcohol.

On June 28, several teens approached Olga Pukhova and Anna Gorokhova. The girls went for their night of partying and never returned home again.

Then the alleged killers invited Andrei Sorokin and his girlfriend Varya Kuzmina along for some fun.

According to Russian authorities, all the victims styled themselves as goth kids. Goth in Russia isn't all that different from goth in the United States, save that the Russian public has responded differently to the subculture -- with a great deal of judgment, even violence towards kids identified as goth or emo. The Russian State Duma -- roughly analogous to the American House of Representatives -- has even held hearings on possibly regulating websites that might be of interest to emo kids and legislating a goth kid's ability to go to school.

The folks giving these parties seemed to be cut from the same cloth as their victims.
The four victims gave their families similar stories. They said they were headed to a music festival. But each pair actually got in touch with the alleged leader of the Satanic killers, Nikolai Ogolobyak.

At least one of the kids almost got the word out that something bad was afoot. Varya Kuzmina called a friend from Ogolobyak's place and she said that she didn't like it there. "Something's not right," said the teen, "I'll tell you about it later."
Later didn't come, for Varya Kuzmina. Nikolai Ogolobyak's followers were a dark and bloody universe away from your everyday goth kid or emo cutter.

Russian authorities say Olga Pukhova, Anna Gorokhova, Varya Kuzmina and Andrei Sorokin were stabbed 666 times. The teens -- all of them 16 or 17 -- were then dismembered.
Then the Satanists built a bonfire. They threw the body parts of the victims into the flames. Later they ate some of the roasted pieces.

Britain's Sun, not necessarily the best news source for anyone (unrepentantly tabloid, sometimes in the same fashion as the old Weekly World News), reported that after police found the hideous crime scene, they were able to extract some of the victims' hair from the ashes of the charnel fire.

The killers marked a place in the woods where some of the victims' bones were discarded with an upside-down cross.
Eventually, Russian authorities arrested Ogolobyak and accomplices Ksenia Kuznetsova, Alexander Voronov and Anton Makovin.
Nikolai Ogolobyak wasn't concerned about his arrest. He allegedly told police that Satan would help him "avoid responsibility" because Ogolobyak had "made lots of sacrifices to him."

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Znam da ne vidim inteligenciju, racionalnost i logiku

Pa zbog tog tvog ega koji "nemas", ne bi ih video ni da te udare u glavu.  Smile

I dokle umisljas da postoji diskusija? Postojis ti koji iznosis svoje fantazmagorije i ljudi koji prate sta pises u cilju dobre zabave. Kao sto ti imas taj stav (koji nema veze sa ego, ma nikako  Smile - da tebe ne dotice sta ljudi govore), tako ni nas ne zanima tvoje misljenje da li neko i kako diskutuje... zanima nas da se nasmejemo i ulepsamo sebi dan.

Eto, gledaj to sa pozitivne strane, zabavljas ljude u ova teska vremena... kada malo bolje razmislim, nije Sloba jedini bozji covek sa misijom.  Smile
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Pa zbog tog tvog ega koji "nemas", ne bi ih video ni da te udare u glavu.  Smile
Evo jos jednog primera izjave koja nema nikakav smisao, znacenje, logiku.
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I dokle umisljas da postoji diskusija? Postojis ti koji iznosis svoje fantazmagorije i ljudi koji prate sta pises u cilju dobre zabave. Kao sto ti imas taj stav (koji nema veze sa ego, ma nikako  Smile - da tebe ne dotice sta ljudi govore), tako ni nas ne zanima tvoje misljenje da li neko i kako diskutuje... zanima nas da se nasmejemo i ulepsamo sebi dan.

Eto, gledaj to sa pozitivne strane, zabavljas ljude u ova teska vremena... kada malo bolje razmislim, nije Sloba jedini bozji covek sa misijom.  Smile
Diskusija postoji dokle god postoji razmena informacija.
Informacije koje ti izbacujes o onome sto sam rekao nemaju nikakve veze sa onim sto sam rekao.
Kad god sam pitao "koje su to fantazije koje se vide u mojim recima?" nisi na to odgovarao.
Platio si ovom forumu da ti dozvole da ovde lecis svoje komplekse nekoga ko bi voleo da ucestvuje u racionalnoj diskusiji a za to nema sposobnost i da ta nesposobnost manifestovana krsenjem pravilnika foruma ne bude sankcionisana.
Vec sam naveo da mi predstavlja zadovoljstvo kada cujem da se osobe potput tebe smeju onome sto sam napisao, posto je smeh pozitivan efekat.
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Ala ides izvrnutom logikom... kao da trazis od mene da objasnim budali da je budala... sta me be briga za budalu... isto se odnosi na objasnjenje sta je to sto ti iznosis.  Smile

Ceo tvoj opus na Bureku se svodi na - rec pa rec, samo rec i nista osim rec, zivot/smrt/zivot/smrt, niko/nista/ovo/ono/tamo/vamo/ se nije spasilo od smrti, ovo je sto jeste a ne sto nije, ovo je kako jeste a ne kako nije, nije kako bi ti jer je ovako kako jeste, bice kako ce biti. I to svuda, bez obzira na temu. Koje tvoje diskusije, ti u njima i ne ucestvujes, ti programirano kao bot ponavljas stalno ista trucanja.

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da ovde lecis svoje komplekse

 Smile Smile Smile

Moze biti da tvoj ego na ovako prikladan nacin reaguje zbog pogadjanja u emocije koje nemas.  Smile

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Platio si ovom forumu

Vec sam ti rekao, plati i ti pa da ravnopravno diskutujemo. Nije valjda da posedujes toliko intelekta i znanja a da ne mozes sebi da priustis premium account da Bureku?

P.S. Samo me jedno zanima, posto sam ja "nesposoban" za ucesce u diskusiji... smatras li sebe pametnim/inteligentnim/obrazovanim/pronicljivim (kako god) covekom?  Smile

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