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najbolja jurisna puska ww2. Smile
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Pa da, od nje je nastao hekler,MP-5.Danas ga koriste S.W.A.T. jedinice.
Не само SWAT, користе га наше специјалне јединице, као и многе светске.
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pa dobro ali uz SWAT nekako stoji ta rec heckler!!!! Smile Smile
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odkud vam veza izmedju te dve puske,meni bas ne lice...malo mozda,ali nedovoljno,vise lici na kalasnjikov
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Sebe vidim kao demona koji je dosao da promeni svoju okolinu,koristeci se sredstvima koje je savremeni covek odbacio.
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Kalaš se razvio iz mp44, nije nastao od nule, već su Rusi došli na ideju od zarobljenih oružja. Nastao je kao potreba za povećanom vatrenom moći koju automati 7.65 i 9mm  nemaju, a u isto vrijemei povećanom mobilnošću koja nedostaje mitraljezima koji koriste puščanu municiju. Inače, osnovni problem sa puškama tog vremena je bio što sa oružjem koje može da dejstvuje samo jedinačnom paljbom, jedan pješadinac ne može u isto vrijeme da se pregrupiše i pokriva vatrom, tako se došlo do ideje za ooružjem manjeg formata od mitraljeza, koje bi bilo prihvatljivo za nošenje, a koje bi koristilo puščanu municiju. Kad govorimo o h&k mp5, taj bi prije mogao da bude naslijednik mp40, ipak imajte na umu da je mp44 automat (sub machine gun) a ne assault rifle.
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Normalno da lice,pogledaj samo sarzer,drsku,kundak,ama sve,sem izlazne cevi.I gledao sam na TV-u da je MP-5 nastao od 44.Sto se tice AK-47[automatik-kalasnikov-1947]nije uopste nastao od MP-a iako lici[korustio je MP-44 kao osnovu pa je onda stvorio AK-47 od Nulte Tacke,zato sto nije bilo vremna za savremeniji dizajn].A puska koja je nastala od AK-1947 je AK-1977.Ak-47 je izmislio prvi oficir Ruske tenkovske divizije Kalanjikov.Zasto ga je pravio???
Ima 2 razloga:
1.Trebalo je pesadincima za pratnju tenkova.
2.I posto je hladni rat mogao da explodira savakog casa,stvorio ga je za mogucu invaziju Amerike,gde se preko 500 hiljada sovijeta  iskrcava na zapadnu obalu Amerike,i svi od njih imaju glavnu pusku:AK-47.
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Normalno da lice,pogledaj samo sarzer,drsku,kundak,ama sve,sem izlazne cevi.I gledao sam na TV-u da je MP-5 nastao od 44.Sto se tice AK-47[automatik-kalasnikov-1947]nije uopste nastao od MP-a iako lici[korustio je MP-44 kao osnovu pa je onda stvorio AK-47 od Nulte Tacke,zato sto nije bilo vremna za savremeniji dizajn].A puska koja je nastala od AK-1947 je AK-1977.Ak-47 je izmislio prvi oficir Ruske tenkovske divizije Kalanjikov.Zasto ga je pravio???
Ima 2 razloga:
1.Trebalo je pesadincima za pratnju tenkova.
2.I posto je hladni rat mogao da explodira savakog casa,stvorio ga je za mogucu invaziju Amerike,gde se preko 500 hiljada sovijeta  iskrcava na zapadnu obalu Amerike,i svi od njih imaju glavnu pusku:AK-47.
to je bila nocna mora celog NATOa tokom Hladnog rata...
T-72ke,Ak-47ice,BTRovi i gomila sovjeta kako juri na njih...

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Schwerer Gustav

Preparing to fire the gun- Note size of figures
Type    Railway artillery
Place of origin    Nazi Germany
Service history
In service    1941-1945
Used by    Wehrmacht
Wars    World War II
Production history
Designer    Krupp
Designed    1934
Manufacturer    Krupp
Unit cost    7 million Reichsmark
Produced    1941
Number built    2
Specifications
Weight    1,350 tonnes
Length    47.3 m
Barrel length    32.48 m (L/40.6)
Width    7.1 m
Height    11.6 m
Crew    250 to assemble the gun in 3 days (54 hours), 2,500 to lay track and dig embankments. 2 Flak battalions to protect the gun from air attack.
Caliber    800 mm
Elevation    Max of 48°
Rate of fire    1 round every 30 to 45 minutes or typically 14 rounds a day
Muzzle velocity    820 m/s (HE); 720 m/s (AP)
Maximum range    48 km (HE); 38 km (AP)

Schwerer Gustav (English: Heavy Gustav) and Dora were the names under which the German 80 cm K (E) railway guns were known. They were developed in the late 1930s by Krupp in order to destroy large, heavily fortified targets. They weighed nearly 1,344 tons, and could fire a shell that weighed more than 7 tons at distances up to 37 km (23 miles). Designed in preparation for World War II, they were intended to be used against the Maginot Line. But instead of a frontal assault, the Wehrmacht outflanked the line during the Battle of France. One of the guns was used in the Soviet Union at the siege of Sevastopol during Operation Barbarossa. It was destroyed near the end of the war to avoid capture.

It is the largest calibre rifled weapon in the history of artillery and fired the heaviest shells of any artillery piece. It is only surpassed in calibre by the American 36-inch Little David mortar and a handful of earlier siege mortars which all fired smaller shells.[1]
Contents

    * 1 Development
    * 2 History
          o 2.1 Schwerer Gustav
          o 2.2 Dora
          o 2.3 Langer Gustav
          o 2.4 Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster Project
    * 3 Ammunition
          o 3.1 High Explosive
          o 3.2 AP Shell
    * 4 Models
    * 5 Notes
    * 6 References
    * 7 External links
    * 8 See also

Development

In 1934 the German High Command (OKH) gave to the firm of Krupp of Essen, Germany the problem of designing a gun to destroy the fortresses of the French Maginot Line which was then nearing completion. The gun had to be able to punch through 7 meters of reinforced concrete and an armoured plate 1 meter thick, and do this from a range that kept it out of reach of enemy artillery. Krupp engineer Dr. Erich Müller calculated that the task would require a weapon with a calibre of around 80 cm, firing a projectile weighing 7 tonnes from a barrel 30 meters long. As such the weapon would have a weight of over 1000 tonnes. The size and weight meant that to be at all movable it would need to be supported on twin sets of railway tracks. In common with smaller railway guns, the only barrel movement on the mount would be elevation, traverse being managed by moving the weapon along a curved section of railway line. Krupp prepared plans for calibres of 70 cm, 80 cm, 85 cm, and 100 cm.

Nothing further happened until March 1936, when Hitler visited Essen during which he enquired into the giant guns' feasibility. No definite commitment was given by Hitler, but design work began on an 80 cm model. The resulting plans were completed in early 1937 and approved. Fabrication of the first gun started in the summer of 1937. However, producing such a large weapon proved difficult and it became apparent that the original completion date of spring 1940 would not be met.

Krupp built a test model in late 1939 and sent it to the Hillersleben firing range for testing. Penetration was tested on this occasion. Firing almost vertically, the gun was able to penetrate the specified 7 meters of concrete and 1 meter of armour plate [1]. After the tests were completed in mid-1940 the gun and carriage were removed and probably scrapped. Alfred Krupp personally hosted Hitler at the Rügenwald Proving Ground during the formal acceptance trials of the Gustav Gun in the spring of 1941.
An 800mm shell compared to a Soviet T-34 tank at the Imperial War Museum, London.
An 800mm shell compared to a Soviet T-34 tank at the Imperial War Museum, London.

The outcome of the tests resulted in orders for two guns. The first round was test-fired from the commissioned gun barrel on September 10, 1941 from a makeshift gun carriage on the Hillersleben firing range. In November 1941, the barrel was taken to Rügenwald where 8 further firing tests took place using the 7,100 kg armor-piercing (AP) shell out to a range of 37,210 meters.

In combat, the gun was mounted on a specially designed chassis, supported by two bogies on two parallel sets of railway tracks. Each of the bogies had 20 axles, giving a total of 40 axles (80 wheels). Krupp christened the gun Schwerer Gustav (Heavy Gustav) after the senior director of the firm, Gustav Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach.

The ammunition for the gun consisted of a heavy concrete-piercing shell and a lighter high-explosive shell. A super-long-range rocket projectile was also planned with a range of 150 km that would require the barrel being extended to 84 m. This rocket projectile would have enabled the bombardment of England.

In keeping with the tradition of the Krupp company, no charge was made for the first gun. However, they did charge 7 million Reichsmark for the second gun Dora, named after the senior engineer's wife.

History
A shell for the Dora gun (without the sharp ballistic cap) found after the war at the former German firing range near Darłowo, on exhibition in the Polish Army museum in Warsaw
A shell for the Dora gun (without the sharp ballistic cap) found after the war at the former German firing range near Darłowo, on exhibition in the Polish Army museum in Warsaw

Schwerer Gustav

In February 1942 Heavy Artillery Unit (E) 672 reorganised and went on the march, and Schwerer Gustav began its long ride to the Crimea. The train carrying the gun was 25 cars long, a total length of 1 mile (1.6 km). The gun reached the Perekop Isthmus in early March 1942, where it was held until early April. A special railway spur was built to the Simferopol-Sevastopol railway 10 miles (16 km) north of the target, at the end of which four semi-circular tracks were built specially for the Gustav. The siege of Sevastopol was to be the gun's first combat test. Positioning of the gun began in early May, and by 5 June the gun was ready to fire. The following targets were engaged:

    * 5 June
          o Coastal guns at a range of 25,000 m. Eight shells fired.
          o Fort Stalin. Six shells fired.
    * 6 June
          o Fort Molotov. Seven shells fired.
          o The White Cliff: an undersea ammunition magazine in Severnaya Bay. The magazine was sited 30 meters under the sea with at least 10 meters of concrete protection. After nine shells were fired, the magazine was ruined and one of the boats in the bay was sunk.[2]
    * 7 June
          o Firing in support of an infantry attack on Sudwestspitze, an outlying fortification. Seven shells fired.
    * 11 June
          o Fort Siberia. Five shells fired.
    * 17 June
          o Fort Maxim Gorki and its coastal battery. Five shells fired.

By the end of the siege on July 4 the city of Sevastopol lay in ruins, and 30,000 tons of artillery ammunition had been fired. Gustav had fired 48 rounds and worn out its original barrel, which had already fired around 250 rounds during testing and development. The gun was fitted with the spare barrel and the original was sent back to Krupp's factory in Essen for relining.

The gun was then dismantled and moved to the northern part of the eastern front, where an attack was planned on Leningrad. The gun was placed some 30 km from the city near the railway station of Taizy. The gun was fully operational when the attack was cancelled. The gun then spent the winter of 1942/43 near Leningrad.

Then it was moved back to Germany for refurbishment. Despite some claims, it was never used in Warsaw during the 1944 uprising, though one of its shells is on display at the Polish Army museum there.

The gun then appears to have been destroyed to prevent its capture sometime before April 22, 1945, when its ruins were discovered in a forest 15 km (9 miles) north of Auerbach about 50 km (31 miles) southwest of Chemnitz.

Dora

Dora was the second gun to be produced. It was deployed briefly against Stalingrad, where the gun arrived at its emplacement 15 km (9 miles) to the west of the city sometime in mid-August 1942. It was ready to fire on September 13th. However, it was quickly withdrawn when Soviet encirclement threatened; when the Germans began their long retreat they took Dora with them. Dora was broken up before the end of the war, being discovered in the west by American troops some time after the discovery of Schwerer Gustav.

Langer Gustav

The Langer Gustav was a long cannon with 52 cm caliber and a 43 m barrel. It was intended to fire super-long-range rocket projectiles weighing 680 kg to a range of 190 km. This gave it the range to hit London. It was never completed after being damaged during construction by one of the many RAF bombing raids on Essen.

Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster Project

The Monster was to be a 2500 tonne mobile, self-propelled platform for an 80-cm K (E) gun, along with two 15 cm sFH 18 heavy howitzers, and multiple MG 151 autocannons. It was deemed impractical, and in 1943 was cancelled by Albert Speer. It never left the drawing board and no progress was ever made. It would have easily surpassed the Panzer VIII Maus (Largest and heaviest tank ever built) and the Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte (Also cancelled, never completed, with only one twin 280 mm gun turret completed) in weight and size.

Ammunition

High Explosive

    * Weight of projectile: 4.8 t (4,800 kg)
    * Muzzle velocity: 820 m/s
    * Maximum range: 48 km
    * Explosive mass: 700 kg
    * Crater size: 30 ft (10 m) wide 30 ft (10 m) deep.

AP Shell

The main body was made of chrome-nickel steel, fitted with an aluminium alloy ballistic nose cone.

    * Length of shell: 3.6 m
    * Weight of projectile: 7.1 t (7,100 kg)
    * Muzzle velocity: 720 m/s
    * Maximum range: 38 km
    * Explosive mass: 250 kg
    * Penetration: In testing it was demonstrated to penetrate 7 metres of concrete at maximum elevation (beyond that available during combat) with a special charge [2].

Models

    * 80 cm "Schwerer Gustav" (Heavy Gustav) - Deployed in March 1942 against Sevastopol.
    * 80 cm "Dora" - Deployed against Stalingrad in September 1942. Possibly never fired.
    * 52 cm "Langer Gustav" (Long Gustav) - Started but not completed.
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strasno,zar ne?  Smile Smile
kada je pucao,to je kao da te neko svakih 45 minuta gadja omanjim half-trackom napujenim eksplozivom...  Smile Smile

evo jos neke informacije...
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