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   mozda ste chuli ovu prichu ,mozda niste ... navodno je izvesni americhki skyraider pogodjen raketom koju je ispalio s.vijetnamski mig-21 ,ali se uspeshno vratio u bazu ... americhki heroizam ,americhki avioni are the best i slichne gluposti ...  Smile

  mene interesuje koliko je prica zaista moguca ,tj da li su rane IC rakete uopshte mogle da zahvate klipni avion ?!?  Smile
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Znam par osoba koje su bas zagrizene za taj avion pa mogu da pitam ali ima slucajeva gde su americki avioni dobijali teske pogotke i vracali se u bazu. Recimo u Vijetnamskom ratu je F-105 kojim je pilotirao Dzon Pijavoti dobio pogodak topom od 57 u rep i uspeo je da odbaci bombe na cilj i da se vrati nazad.
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Nisam cuo za tu pricu (cuo sam za onu kad je skenjao MiG17 ta je ok).
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 u principu , nije mi toliko chudno prezivljavanje ,poshto je avion bio zilav - nego navodni zahvat te IC rakete prve generacije na toplotu klipnog motora.
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Pa nije cudno jer on oseca tu toplotu ali najveca je mana mali zahvatni ugao glave rakete. Ipak- bolje da se raspitamo okolo...

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              Ne bih da budem sitničav, ali malo mi je čudan susret protivpartizanskog aviona
koji je dejstvovao samo na nebu Republike Vijetnam ( južni Vijetnam ) i nekog od samo
dvadesetak MiG-ova koji su  bili koncentrisani na severu, tj. oko Hanoja i Hajfonga.
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   Smile A-1 je dejstvovao i iznad s.vijetnama . 2 su oborili (potvrdjeno) mig-17 ,a jedan chak kineski J-6 (mig-19) jer je ushao na njihovu teritoriju  Smile
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Не би рекао да је A-1 противпартизански, за ту сврху је служио OV-10 Bronco, А-1 је бомбардер/јуришник.
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               Ghost:
               Tačno je da je A-1 bio bombarder/jurišnik...u vreme kada je nastao ! U Vijetnamu je korišćen upravo u ulozi protivpartizanskog aviona jer se za to pokazao boljim od mlaznih aviona. Društvo su mu pravili pomenuti OV-10 i A-37A uz mnogo lakih aviona
namenjenih za osmatranje i vezu.
                Bf:
                Odakle ti podaci o obaranju Skyraider-a od Mig 17 ? Pitam jer sam ja čuo (ali
nikada poverovao) da je u jednom susretu pobednik bio upravo američki avion !
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                Odakle ti podaci o obaranju Skyraider-a od Mig 17 ? Pitam jer sam ja čuo (ali
nikada poverovao) da je u jednom susretu pobednik bio upravo američki avion !

 shto bre ljudi ne konsultujete malo govnopediju pre nego shto postavljate pitanja  Smile :

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A-1E Skyraiders fly in formation over South Vietnam on way to target on 25 June 1965. The aircraft are assigned to the 34th Tactical Group, based at Bien Hoa, South Vietnam.
A-1E Skyraiders fly in formation over South Vietnam on way to target on 25 June 1965. The aircraft are assigned to the 34th Tactical Group, based at Bien Hoa, South Vietnam.

In 1965, the A-1 Skyraider was still the medium attack aircraft in many carrier air wings, although it was slated to be replaced by the A-6A Intruder as part of the general switch to jet aircraft. Skyraiders participated in the first strikes against North Vietnam before they were replaced. During the war, U.S. Navy Skyraiders shot down two Soviet-built Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-17 jet fighters: one on 20 June 1965, a victory shared by LT Clinton B. Johnson and LTJG Charles W. Hartman III of VA-25;[5] and one on 9 October 1966 by LTJG William T. Patton of VA-176.[4] While on his very first mission, Navy pilot Dieter Dengler took damage to his A-1H over Vietnam on 1 February 1966, and crash-landed in Laos.[6]

As they were released from Navy service, Skyraiders were introduced into the Vietnam Air Force (VNAF). They were also used by the USAF to perform one of the Skyraider's most famous roles: the "Sandy" helicopter escort on combat rescues.[7] USAF Major Bernard F. Fisher piloted an A-1E on the 10 March 1966 mission for which he was awarded the Medal of Honor for rescuing Major "Jump" Myers at A Shau Special Forces Camp.[8] USAF Colonel William A. Jones, III piloted an A-1H on the September 1, 1968 mission for which he was awarded the Medal of Honor. In that mission, despite damage to his aircraft and suffering serious burns, he returned to his base and reported the position of a downed flight crew member.[8]
VA-115 A-1H loaded with ordnance for a mission in Vietnam
VA-115 A-1H loaded with ordnance for a mission in Vietnam

After November 1972, all A-1s in U.S. service in Southeast Asia were transferred to the South Vietnamese Air Force (VNAF) and their former roles were taken over by the subsonic A-7 Corsair II.[9] The Skyraider in Vietnam pioneered the concept of tough, survivable aircraft with long loiter times and large ordnance loads. The USAF lost 201 Skyraiders to all causes in Southeast Asia, while the Navy lost 65 to all causes. Of the 266 lost A-1s, five were shot down by surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), and three were shot down in air to air combat; two by North Vietnamese MiG-17s. The first A-1 was shot down on 29 April 1966, and the second A-1 was lost on 19 April 1967; both were from the 602 Air Commando Squadron (ACS). The third A-1 Skyraider was from Squadron VA-35 and was lost to a Red Chinese MiG-19 (J-6) on 14 February 1968. LTJG Joseph P. Dunn (USN), had flown too close to the Communist Chinese held island of Hainan, and had been intercepted. Lieutenant Dunn's A-1 Skyraider was the last U.S. Navy A-1 lost in the war, and he did not survive. Shortly thereafter, A-1 Skyraider naval squadrons transitioned to A-4 Skyhawks.

In contrast to the Korean War, fought a decade earlier, the US Air Force, in Vietnam, utilized the naval A-1 Skyraider for the first time. As the Vietnam war progressed, USAF A-1s were painted in camouflage, while USN A-1 Skyraiders were gray/white in color; again, in contrast to the Korean War, when A-1s were painted dark blue.

In 1965, to highlight the dropping of the six millionth pound of ordnance; CDR Clarence J. Stoddard, flying an A-1H, dropped a special, one-time only, object in addition to his other munitions – a toilet.[10]
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