Ok, stavka 3 sa strane - zasto ne prokomentarises prve 2? Zato sto si shvatio koliko ne znas, pa te je malo sramota, ali i to je kul. Sto pre shvatis, bolje za tebe. Postujem.

Sto se tice zadnje recenice: da, imam sta pametno da kazem, ali sam to vec i rekao. Pismeni ljudi citaju. A sto se tice mudrosti, nisu to moje mudrosti, ja sam ih samo naucio, i tvrdim da ih znam. Tvrdis isto to i ti, samo lazno.


PHP moze da se nauci za 6 meseci? Isto tako moze i Python, i Java, i C/C++/C#. Pitanje je samo koliko ces znanje da imas posle tih 6 meseci.

Sto se tice Facebook i PHP, da, koriste PHP zato sto je postojeci kod vec bio kucan u PHP. Medjutim, ne kuca se vise PHP, nego C++, pa koriste HipHop da konvertuju PHP u C++[1].

[1] http://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2010/02/02/hiphop-for-php--move-fast/

EDIT: Permutovao sam PHP i C++.

Sta tu ima da se komentarise, to sto si napisao je tacno, sta imam tu da dodam, ja sam napisao na sta da baci akcenat kad bude birao sta ce da uci.

Ovo "konvertovanje" ne smem ni da komentarisem. To je kao da imas porshea, pa ga onda odvezes u neku radioonicu u "Orange County"-u  da ti ga zbudze da radi kao jugo.

Pojasnicu svoju tvrdnju o PHP ucenicima.

PHP kurs moze da se savlada za 6 meseci i da iznedri skriptera koji moze da se snadje kad mu PHP kod dodje pod ruku.

Ostale prave programske jezike, mozes isto tako da naucis za 6 meseci, ali kad ti neko pokaze framework koji se koristi u firmi sa sve naprednim tehnikama (BDD, mock, IOC, design patterns, unit testing, integration tests..., repository) ima da ti se smrze govno u dupetu.

Zbog toga ti i kazem da ne pricas na temu koju ne poznajes dovoljno, a narocito nemoj da vredjas ostale ucesnike u diskusiji time sto ces ironicno da ih nazivas znalcima.


To konvertovanje ima mnogo smisla. Da ne bi i dalje kucali PHP koji ce na serveru da obradjuje podatke, kucaju ono u cemu im je mnogo lakse, i sto ce da ubrza platformu. Kako god, to nisam ja izmislio, nego inzenjerski tim iz Facebook-a, ja samo prenosim informaciju.


Ja cu da naucim coveka prosecne inteligencije da cita PHP kod uz pomoc Google-a za manje od mesec dana. To ne znaci da ce taj neko biti programer, jos manje znaci da bih ja licno zaposlio kod sebe nekog sa takvim znanjem. Milsim, kapiram ja sta ti hoces da kazes, i sve je to fina podloga za dalje ucenje, ali za 6 meseci tesko da moze neko da postane ozbiljan programer.


Kakve sad veze imaju unit testovi, radna okruzenja(framework) i skladista(repositories)? Svaka firma ima svoje zahteve. Firma za koju ja radim recimo trazi samo osnovno poznavanje klijenata za poznate Version Control sisteme, i vrlo mlako poznavanje pisanja testova za kod koji web developeri kucaju. Prave testove kuca tim koji je za to zaduzen.

Sve na stranu, ovde bi trebalo da se vodi diskusija o tome koje jezike treba pocetnik da krene da savladava, kako bi sto kvalitetnije zaronio u web development.

1) Ma o cemu bre pricas covece, koju to temu ne poznajem dovoljno? Web tehnologije ili maternji jezik?

2) Pa ti odgovori su mu i prezentovani. (Pored programskog jezika sta jos moze da izuci)

Drugo da si radio ozbiljne projekte, prepoznao bi sta sam napisao o naprednim tehnikama.
Ovako ja ti pokazem sumu, a ti mi deklamujes koje vrste drveca su u prvom redu.

Drugo (repository je pattern, BTW, al ajde necu sad to da ti nabijam na nos)

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Web tehnologije. Ne poznajes dovoljno te iste tehnologije o kojima govoris, a savetujes nekom da ih uci/koristi. Kako znam da ih ne poznajes dovoljno? Napisao sam ti u proslom postu.


Jesu mu prezentovani, ali si mu dao odgovor na temu koju ne poznajes dovoljno, po treci put ti kazem. To sto si mu rekao da uci jQuery i JSON bi bilo smesno da nije tuzno.


Da sam radio ozbiljne projekte? To na cemu ja radim zadnje 3 godine, mozes da vidis i na mom profilu, na mom blogu, a i generalno svuda na internetu. Ako si ti radio i jedan sajt koji ima makar 10ti deo broja posetilaca sajta koji ja redovno odrzavam, evo ja ti skidam kapu.



Ja ne znam na sta ti mislis kada kazes repository(a ni pattern koji je za mene sablon, za ovo ili ono), ali repository je engleska rec koja prevedena na srpski znaci skladiste, a u kompjuterskim recnicima predstavlja skladiste podataka, uglavnom koda. Repository se uglavnom koristi da se ukaze na skladista VCS sistema[1], a najpoznatjiji besplatni online takav servis je GitHub[2].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_control
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub

Sta, sad se meri kvalitet izrade brojem posetilaca?

Jaka vam firma kad su vam tako niski kriterijumi, ko zna na sta lici taj cod sto vam pisu ti scripteri.

Pogledaj gornje oglase sto sam postovao, pa se naplaci koliko je tuzno (da nije istinito)

BTW kad se vec ku*cis svojim znanjem bolje bi ti bilo da popravis sopstveni sajt.

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Predajem se - pobedio si. Iskreno sam mislio da ces posle par postova da skapiras da nisi u pravu, i da lepo to i napises, ali nema sa tobom rasprave. Cestitam.

Molim lepo, na usluzi, raskrinkavam samozvane "experte i blogere".