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Nezavisno Kosovo je opravdano koliko je bila opravdana nezavisna Republika Srpska Krajina svojevremeno.
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Zanimljivo je koliko ne poznajete istoriju svoje države.

Ova tema nije da li treba da se braniš ako te nego bombarduje nego da li je to moglo da bude izbegnuto. Naravno da jeste, ali da je Srbija vodila drugačiju i normalniju racionalnu politiku.

Pošto je naša politika devedesetih godina bila da ratom, bombardovanjem i granatama nametnemo ostalima naše viđenje uređenja prostora bivše Jugoslavije i pri tome smo se godinama svađali sa celim svetom, pa smo čak bili izbačeni i iz Ujedinjenih nacija onda je naravno na kraju balade došlo do toga i da mi sami budemo bombardovani.

mi smo trebali da izbegnemo da budemo sa ustasama 2x u istoj drzavi jel ti shvatas gde i kad je nastao problem, Sloba sa tim nema veze on je samo nastavio komunisticku dubiozu??? mi smo trebali da izbegnemo Obrenovica na vlasti, prvo sta je uradio poceo je popularisanje korupcije koju ni dan danas ne mozemo iskoreniti, pitanja koja ti postavljas su hipoteticka evo ti jednog takvog pitanja, da li je Knez Lazar mogao izbeci Bitku na Kosovu 1389? Istorija jos uvek nije dala jedinstven odgovor ja cu ti reci Da mogao je da nije bio nahuskan od strane zapadnih vlastelina koji su mu obecali podrsku u zaustavljanju Osmanlija, i zaustavio ih je Turci dalje od Save i Dunava nisu mogli, da li mu je Evropa tada pomogla? Naravno da NE
Ja sam ranije rekao da je bombardovanje moglo biti izbegnuto bilo bi izbegnuto, mi smo bombardovani bez odluke SB bez rezolucije UN bez odluke EU, bombardovani smo jer se americi digla kita da nekog izjebu  i to su uradeli satro pod NATOom.... sta je NATO?? grupa naoruzanih avanturista koju predvodi najjaci medju njima pa idu svetom i tuku slabije ako im  se ne svidjaju!? koja je poenta ocuvanja SB i UN-a i EU kad se nista ne pitaju koga treba sledeceg sravniti sa zemljom??
Problem koji smo imali 1999 je daleko dublji od tih 10 godina o kojima pricas, evo ti jos jednog paradoksa:
~siptari od 45-e na KIM su se triplirali, kako? namaju sredstva da izdrzavaju ni jedno dete a imaju 10 komada kako???

da li im je drzava Srbija davala socijalnu pomoc? DA
da li su im isplacivani deciji dodatci? DA
da li su zaposljavani i sakom i kapom pod statusom nacionalne manjine? DA
da li im je neko branio da govore albanskim jezikom? NE
da li su se ponasali prema Srbima koretno? dok je bio tito ziv DA
da li su provokacije pocele ucestale posle ustva iz 74-e? DA
da li je iridenta radila protivustavnu delatnost na KIM? DA
da li je kominterna radila na podstrekivanju na terorizam na KIM? DA
da li su siptarski ekstremisti spremani sistematski za sukobe na KIM? DA
da li je licni Enver Hodza na 7 kongresu albanske partije rada pokazivao kartu velike albanije? DA
da li je vise decenija vrsena agresija od strane albanije na SFRJ, SRJ, i SCG? DA
da li je albanija zvanicno napala SRJ 1999-e? na terenu DA u papirima NE
da li je novac od droge koriscen za lobiranje zapadnjaka i snadbevanje uck naoruzanjem? DA
da li je KIM crna tacka na putevima droge u svetu? DA podseticu da je sada pod kontrolom amerike kao i avganistan u svetu droge poznatiji kao broj 1. u proizvodnji heroina!!!

ovakvih pitanja imam jos milion ali necu da ih postavljam trezvenom coveku je i ovo dosta, samo jedno pitanje imam za tebe:
Ako si procitao sve ovo reci mi da stvarno verujes da je bombardovanje moglo biti izbegnuto?
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  Don’t forget Yugoslavia

John Pilger
August 16, 2008

The secrets of the crushing of Yugoslavia are emerging, telling us more about how the modern world is policed. The former chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunal for Yugoslavia in The Hague, Carla Del Ponte, this year published her memoir The Hunt: Me and War Criminals. Largely ignored in Britain, the book reveals unpalatable truths about the west’s intervention in Kosovo, which has echoes in the Caucasus.
   
The tribunal was set up and bankrolled principally by the United States. Del Ponte’s role was to investigate the crimes committed as Yugoslavia was dismembered in the 1990s. She insisted that this include Nato’s 78-day bombing of Serbia and Kosovo in 1999, which killed hundreds of people in hospitals, schools, churches, parks and tele vision studios, and destroyed economic infrastructure. “If I am not willing to [prosecute Nato personnel],” said Del Ponte, “I must give up my mission.” It was a sham. Under pressure from Washington and London, an investigation into Nato war crimes was scrapped.

Readers will recall that the justification for the Nato bombing was that the Serbs were committing “genocide” in the secessionist province of Kosovo against ethnic Albanians. David Scheffer, US ambassador-at-large for war crimes, announced that as many as “225,000 ethnic Albanian men aged between 14 and 59″ may have been murdered. Tony Blair invoked the Holocaust and “the spirit of the Second World War”. The west’s heroic allies were the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), whose murderous record was set aside. The British foreign secretary, Robin Cook, told them to call him any time on his mobile phone.

With the Nato bombing over, international teams descended upon Kosovo to exhume the “holocaust”. The FBI failed to find a single mass grave and went home. The Spanish forensic team did the same, its leader angrily denouncing “a semantic pirouette by the war propaganda machines”. A year later, Del Ponte’s tribunal announced the final count of the dead in Kosovo: 2,788. This included combatants on both sides and Serbs and Roma murdered by the KLA. There was no genocide in Kosovo. The “holocaust” was a lie. The Nato attack had been fraudulent.

That was not all, says Del Ponte in her book: the KLA kidnapped hundreds of Serbs and transported them to Albania, where their kidneys and other body parts were removed; these were then sold for transplant in other countries. She also says there was sufficient evidence to prosecute the Kosovar Albanians for war crimes, but the investigation “was nipped in the bud” so that the tribunal’s focus would be on “crimes committed by Serbia”. She says the Hague judges were terrified of the Kosovar Albanians - the very people in whose name Nato had attacked Serbia.
   
Indeed, even as Blair the war leader was on a triumphant tour of “liberated” Kosovo, the KLA was ethnically cleansing more than 200,000 Serbs and Roma from the province. Last February the “international community”, led by the US, recognised Kosovo, which has no formal economy and is run, in effect, by criminal gangs that traffic in drugs, contraband and women. But it has one valuable asset: the US military base Camp Bondsteel, described by the Council of Europe’s human rights commissioner as “a smaller version of Guantanamo”. Del Ponte, a Swiss diplomat, has been told by her own government to stop promoting her book.

Yugoslavia was a uniquely independent and multi-ethnic, if imperfect, federation that stood as a political and economic bridge in the Cold War. This was not acceptable to the expanding European Community, especially newly united Germany, which had begun a drive east to dominate its “natural market” in the Yugoslav pro vinces of Croatia and Slovenia. By the time the Europeans met at Maastricht in 1991, a secret deal had been struck; Germany recognised Croatia, and Yugoslavia was doomed. In Washington, the US ensured that the struggling Yugoslav economy was denied World Bank loans and the defunct Nato was reinvented as an enforcer. At a 1999 Kosovo “peace” conference in France, the Serbs were told to accept occupation by Nato forces and a market economy, or be bombed into submission. It was the perfect precursor to the bloodbaths in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Was Serbia a Practice Run for Iraq?

PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS | March 14 2006

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Milosevic was caught up in the post-Soviet era break-up of Yugoslavia. Nationalist forces broke up the Yugoslav federation. During 1991-92, Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, and Bosnia-Herzegovina seceded from Yugoslavia. Large Serbian minorities in Croatia and in Bosnia objected and claimed the identical right of self-determination to remain in the federation as Croats and Muslims claimed to leave it. Croatian and Bosnian Serbs organized and a war against secession began.

Milosevic could hardly remain a Serbian leader and not support the Serbs. Abraham Lincoln was canonized for invading the South to prevent its secession, but Milosevic was damned for trying to protect Yugoslavia's territorial integrity. In the end Milosevic accepted secession. In 1995 Milosevic negotiated the Dayton Agreement which ended the war in Bosnia. According to the encyclopedia, Wikipedia, "Milosevic was credited in the West with being one of the pillars of Balkan peace."

In 1998 Milosevic was confronted with a more severe problem. Armed actions by the separatist Kosovar Liberation Army, listed as a terrorist organization by the US Department of State, in the ancient Serbian province of Kosovo broke out into warfare. Milosevic was now trying to hold on to a province not of Yugoslavia but of Serbia itself, a province that had been colonized by ethnic Albanians. The Serbian population in Kosovo was outnumbered nine to one and suffered greatly at the hands of the KLA.

Milosevic, already damaged by the wars of secession that destroyed Yugoslavia, lost the media campaign waged by public relations firms hired by contending factions that spun the news that Americans received. Milosevic was demonized, and the Clinton administration had Serbia bombed by NATO forces for 78 days in the spring of 1999. Many Serbian civilians were killed by the air strikes which hit passenger trains and destroyed the Chinese embassy. In effect, the US interfered in Serbian affairs in behalf of the secession, with the result that Kosovo has been essentially ethnically cleansed of Serbs. Kosovo is apparently still considered to be a part of Serbia, but it is administered by the United Nations. Somehow, this has been presented as a great moral victory for humanity.

If the massive propaganda campaign against Milosevic had many facts behind it, he long ago would have been convicted at the Hague. What was the episode all about?

In my opinion, it was to establish the precedent, later to be employed in the Middle East, that the US government could demonize a head of state geographically distant from any legitimate "sphere of influence" and use military force to remove him. This is precisely the fate of Saddam Hussein, and the Bush regime still hopes to repeat the strategy in Iran and Syria.

The unanswered question is why does the "international community" go along with it? The numerous civilians killed by US interventions are just as dead as the ones killed by heads of state attempting to hold on to their countries. Why are the latter deaths war crimes but not the former?

As a presidential candidate, George W. Bush criticized President Clinton's intervention in Serbia and disavowed the international policeman role for the US. But as soon as Bush got in office, he plotted to invade Iraq. Why?

Americans should be very concerned that Bush still has not come clean about why he invaded Iraq. Americans should be disturbed that despite the disastrous results in Iraq, Bush still intends "regime change" in Iran and Syria
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Evo šta su nam namenili i kako se moglo spreciti bombardovanje ...



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Srbiju treba svesti na „prihvatljive granice“, one koje je imala početkom devetnaestog veka, tvrde zapadni obaveštajci

 BEOGRAD - Na sastanku koji održan 21. 22. i 23. juna 2003. godine u Briselu, kome su prisustvovali predstavnici tajnih službi Sjedinjenih Američkih Država, Velike Britanije i Nemačke, potvrđeno je uverenje da Srbiju u teritorijalnom smislu treba svesti na granice beogradskog pašaluka, kaže za Kurir izvor blizak obaveštajnim krugovima.

Naši sagovornici, koji su imali uvid u transkripte sa ovog sastanka, koje je napravila jedna druga strana obaveštajna služba zainteresovana za ove prostore, tvrde da se iz tih razgovora koje su vodili predstavnici ovih službi da zaključiti da postoji unapred pripremljen plan drobljenja Srbije i da je ovaj politički trenutak samo jedna od faza tog plana.

- Jasno se vidi da je njihov plan rasparčavanja Srbije već u poodmakloj fazi i da je započet prilično davno. Nekoliko puta učesnici sastanka govore o nužnosti svođenja Srbije na „prihvatljive granice“, odnosno granice iz prve polovine devetnaestog veka, kad je Srbija bila inferioran politički faktor na Balkanu i država bez svog identiteta i suvereniteta. Iz njihovih razgovora se može zaključiti da se cepanje Srbije neće završiti otimanjem Kosova, Vojvodine i Raške oblasti - kaže naš sagovornik.

Prema njegovim rečima, neverovatno je koliko su zapadni stručnjaci skoro do detalja „prepisali“ model kontrole Balkanskog poluostrva koji je koristila Austrougarska monarhija pre dva veka.

- Plan im nije samo da Srbiju svedu na granice beogradskog pašaluka, već i da unutar tih granica naprave što više zasebnih celina, odnosno regiona koji će imati priličan stepen autonomije u odnosu na centralnu vlast. Upravo zato će u periodu pred nama svi faktori unutar civilnog društva, po diktatu finansijera sa Zapada, raditi na jačanju lokalnih organizacija, odnosno radiće na stvaranju lokalnih lidera i političkih organizacija - kaže naš izvor.

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