Posto izgleda dolazi do eskalacije sukoba u Turskoj mogao bi neko malo da postavi podatke o snazi Turske armije i suprostavljene im Kurdske "gerile"...

Nisu Turci ni malo naivni.
Nemam tacne podatke, mada mislim da sam citao da im vazduhoplovstvo nije nimalo za potcenjivanje. Kopnene snage su malo losije opremljene (uglavnom zastarelo naoruzanje M-113, M-60 jos stariji tenkovi, jos uvek koriste H&K G-3 pusku...).
Na njihovoj je strani iskustvo s obzirom da carke sa Kurdima i Grcima traju vec decenijama.
Turske specijalne snage su veoma cenjene i vaze za jedne od najboljih u NATO-u, losije opremljeni od zapadnih kolega, ali fanaticni i jako dobro fizicki pripremljeni.
Pricao mi je prijatelj koji je vec neko vreme u Iraku na privremenom radu da se dogadjalo da upadnu u severne delove, ali ne prave probleme nikome sem Kurdima.
Toliko od mene

Na pretposlednjoj slici su kobre, turski proizvod, lako oklopljen transporter sa dosta delova sa humera. A inace imaju i BTR-80(240 kom.), Leopard-2(skoro 300 kom.), Yavuz (8x8 koji takodje proizvode turci)...

napred kurdi, j****e turke de stignete, ne zaboravite gospodo da su se i kurdi malo modernizovali, tako da nece biti bas tako lako ovoj turskoj zgadiji 

sta pricate bre nemojte lupati,gledajte stvari kakve jesu,Turska je u Nato paktu a kurdi osim njihova planine (kurdistana) nemju nista,turska je za njih keva po opremljenoisti a i svi znamo kakvo Turci imaju ratno iskustvo 

e i da zaboravih da napomenem da je turska druga drzava po proizvodji municije,i neznam koja drzava po proizvodji oruzija tako da kurdi:"beste noge po*racu vas" 

evo otprilike pa procenite ,a inace je turska vojska druga po jacini iza americke u nato-u,dok su njihovi specijalci jedni od najboljih u svetu(imao sam prilike i vedeti ih jel su obucavali makedonske specijalne jedinice ljudi su strava znaju iscedit covekai pa raspalako bi se i da je od kamena hahaha)jel su konstantno u borbenim akcijama ,(kurdi ,razne militantne grupacije po granicama) nema bolje obuke od real combata jel :




MAIN BATTLE TANKS

Leopard 1A3T1/TU1: 77
Leopard 1A3T1: 150
Leopard 1A1A1: 165 (162 are under ASELSAN upgrade)
M60A3: 658
M60A1 RISE/Passive: 274 (170 under SABRA III upgrade)
M 48A5T2: 750 (Upgraded to M60 A3 Standard)
M 48A5T1: 1369 (Upgraded to M60 A1 Standard. About 1229 are in active service)
M 48T5: 179 (Upgraded to M60 A1 Standard. About 103 are in active service)
M 48A3: 658 (Reserve and obsolete. Used for spare parts)
M 48A2C: 575 (Reserve and obsolete. Used for spare parts)

ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIERS

Armored Infantry Fighting Vehicle (AIFV): 650
Advanced Armored Personnel Carrier (AAPC): 830 + 551 under delivery
Armored Mortar Vehicle (AMV): 170 (self propelled 81 mm mortar)
Armored TOW Vehicle (ATV): 48
M 113A/A1/A2/T2/T3: 3162
M 106A1: 179 (Self propelled M-30 107mm mortar)
M 125A1: 10+ (Self propelled M-29 81mm mortar)
M 113 TOW: 156
BTR 80: 180
RN 94 (6X6): 5
Cobra (4X4): 5
AKREP: ?

Armored Personnel Carriers of Gendarmerie

BTR60PB: 302 (Received BMC upgrade)
AKREP (4X4): ?
CONDOR (4X4): 25
S550 SHORLAD (4X4): 200+
UR416 (4X4): 34
V150/S Cadillac: 200
Gage (4X4): 124
Dragon 300: 60

Rocket Launchers

WS1A (4X320mm): 30 (6 batteries each with 5 launchers).
M 270 MLRS (12X227mm): 12
MGM 140 ATACMS Block 1: 72: Option for 48 more.
TR 107 (12X107mm): 48
RA 7040 (40X70mm): 24
T 122 CNRA (40X122mm, 40km): >52

Towed Artillery

M 155 (203mm): 140
M 114A1/A2 (155mm): 538
M 59 (155mm): 152
SKODA (150mm): 72
M 101A1 (105mm): 830
M 38 Skoda (105mm): 12 (Used in training)
105R Metalgun (105mm): 11 (Used in training)
M 116 (75mm): 180
T 155 Panter 155/52 FT-2000 (155mm): 18 (Total requirement for 400)

Self-Propelled Artillery

M 110A2 (203mm): 295
M 55 (203mm): 9
M 107 (175mm): 36
M 44T (155mm): 164 (Upgraded)
M 52T (155mm): 360 (Upgraded)
M 108T (155mm): 26 (Possible upgrade)
T 155 Firtina (K9T) 155/52 SP-2000 (155mm): 24 (Total requirement for 300)

Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs)

HARPY Attack UAV (500 km): 108
Cutlass/Harop (1000 km): 48
I-GNAT Surveillance UAV (500 km): 1

ANTI-AIRCRAFT MISSILES

ATILGAN KMS (1X8 FIM-92B/C Stinger): 6 (70 ordered)
ZIPKIN KMS (1X4 FIM-92 Stinger): 4 (35 ordered)
FIM 92B/C Stinger Post/RPM: 800+ (4882 missiles)
FIM 43A Redeye: 1089
9M39 Igla (SA-18 Grouse): 42

ATTACK HELICOPTERS

AH1W Super Cobra: 9
AH1P Cobra: 27
TAH1P Cobra: 6

Air-to-Ground Missiles

HellFireIIK2: 216 (Used in the AH-1W Super Cobra helicopters)
TOW II: ? (Used in the AH-1S/P Cobra helicopters)

OTHER HELICOPTERS

AS532UL Cougar Mk1: 28 (4 SAR, 4 ambulance, 4 VIP, 16 utility)
S70A28 Blackhawk: 21 (13 will undergo ASELSAN avionics upgrade, 8 SOF)
S70D28 Blackhawk: 52 (5 SAR, 4 ambulance, 41 utility, 2 SOF CSAR)
UH1H Iroquois: 42
UH1D: 36
AB205A: 47 (23 T + 24 A1)
AB206B3 Jet Ranger: 28 (24 option)
AB212: 2 (VIP)

Helicopters of the Gendarmerie

S70A28 Blackhawk: 21
S70A17 Blackhawk: 5 (1 VIP)
AB205A1: 14
Mi 17 IV: 16
Mi 17 IVA HOP H: 2

ANTI-TANK MISSILES

TOW I/II: 365
MILAN: 392+: With MIRA thermal sights
COBRA: 186
ERYX: 550 (1200 missiles)
9M113M Konkurs (AT5 Spandrel): 72 (420 missiles)
RPG 7 (40mm): 5000+
M 72 A2 LAW (66mm): 40.000+

ARTILLERY GUNS WITHOUT RECOIL

M40A1 (106mm): 2137
M20(75mm):1000 (in storage)
M 18(57mm):871(in storage. Small number in use at Marines)

ANTI-AIRCRAFT GUNS

M 42 (2X40mm): 110
L 70 & L 70T Bofors (40mm): 312 (52 with Officine Galileo P56 optical sight)
L 60 & M1A1 (40mm): 600+
GDF 003 Oerlikon (2X35mm): 120
GDF 001 Oerlikon (2X35mm): 100+
GAI D01 Oerlikon (2X20mm): 440
Mk 20 Rh202 (2X20mm): 300+
M55 (4X12.7mm): 900

MORTARS

HY-12Di (120mm): 578
M-30 (107mm): 1265
UT1 (81mm): ?
M1/M29 (81mm): 3175
M 19 (60mm): ?

AUTOMATIC GRENADE LAUNCHERS

(40x53mm): 1500+ (Mk19 copy from Roketsan)
Mk19 Mod3:?

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TURKISH NAVY

SUBMARINES

GUR Class Type 209T2/1400: 1 (3 more ordered)
PREVEZE Class Type 209T1/1400: 4
ATILAY Class Type 209/1200: 6 (Possible upgrade for 4 subs)

MAIN SURFACE UNITS

Gabya (G) Class (Oliver Hazard Perry): 8
Tepe Class (Knox): 4
Barbaros Class (MEKO200-IIA): 2
Salihreis Class (MEKO200-IIB): 2
Yavuz Class (MEKO200-I): 4
Aviso A69 (D'Estienne D'Orves) or B Class: 6

HELICOPTERS AND NAVAL AIRCRAFT

ATR-72-500 MPA: 0 (10 ordered)
CN-235-100M: 9 (6 MPA+3MSA Coast Guard)
Socata TB-20: 7 (training)
S-70B-28D Seahawk: 7 (8 more ordered + 1 optional)
AB-212E: 3 (Electronic Warfare)
AB-212N1: 2
AB-212N3: 7
AB-206B: 3
AB-204N: 1
AB-412EP: 9 (All Coast Guard SAR. 5 ordered)
A109K-II: 1 (Coast Guard SAR)

FAST GUIDED MISSILE CRAFTS

KILIC II Class: 1 (5 more ordered)
KILIC Class Type TPB57 052B: 3
YILDIZ Class Type FPB 57: 2
DOGAN Class Type FPB 57: 8 (received upgrade)
KARTAL Class Type S141: 8

GUN SHIPS AND PATROL BOATS

AB Class Patrol Vessel: 7
SG80 Class Patrol Vessel: 12 (Coast Guard. 6 ordered.)
KW15 Class Coastal Patrol Vessel: 8 (Coast Guard)
SG1 Class Coastal Patrol Vessel: 1 (Coast Guard)
SG Class Coastal Patrol Vessel: 12 (Coast Guard)
MRTP15 Class Interceptor Craft: 18 (Coast Guard)
MRTP29 Class Large Patrol Craft: 9 (Coast Guard)
MRTP33 Class Large Patrol Craft: 1 (Coast Guard. 10 ordered.)
SAR33 Class Patrol Vessel: 10 (Coast Guard)
SAR35 Class Patrol Vessel: 4 (Coast Guard)
SG21 Class Large Patrol Vessel: 14 (Coast Guard)

MAIN LANDING SHIPS

Ertugrul Class (Terrebonne Parish) LST: 2
Osman Gazi Class LST: 1
Bayraktark Class LST: 1
Sarucabey Class LST: 2

LANDING CRAFTS

EDIC Class LCT: 28
C 302 Class LCM: 16

MINE WARFARE SHIPS

Edincik Class: 5
S Class: 9
F Class: 4
K Class: 3
MHV-45-014 Class: 1 (5 more ordered)

LAND BASED SYSTEMS

ZIPKIN KMS (1X4 FIM-92 mounted Stinger): ? (11 ordered).

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TURKISH AIR FORCE

F 16C/D Block 50: 76
F 16C/D Block 40: 104
F 16C/D Block 30: 38
F 4E 2020 Terminator: 52
F 4E Phantom: 84
RF 4E Phantom: 18
F 5 2000: 48 trainers under delivery
(N)F 5A/B Freedom Fighter: 9 (Turkish Stars)


AIR-AIR MISSILES

AIM 120A/B AMRAAM: 314 (176 AIM 120A + 138 AIM 120B)
AIM 7E Sparrow: 367
AIM 9M Sidewinder: 500
AIM 9L/I Sidewinder: 640
AIM 9S Sidewinder: 310
AIM 9P3 Sidewinder: 750+

AIR TO GROUND WEAPONS/PODS

AGM 88B HARM: 96
Popeye I: 100
Delilah II Cruise Missile: 50 ordered
AGM 65G Maverick IIR: 274
AGM 65A/B Maverick: 550
GBU 8/B HOBOS: 200
Paveway I-II: 1200
BLU 107 Durandal: 523
AN/AVQ 23 Pave Spike (laser designation pod for F-4E): ?
AN/AAQ 14 LANTIRN: 40
AN/AAQ 13 LANTIRN: 40
Litening-III: 20 under delivery, 20 optional.
LOROPS-IR: 12

ANTI AIRCRAFT MISSILES

I-Hawk PIP III (1X3) launchers: 0 (24 launchers to be delivered in 2005)
MIM14B Nike Hercules: 72
Rapier FSB1: 86 (85 launchers updated to Rapier B1X level. 840 additional Mk2B missiles under delivery)
ZIPKIN KMS (1X4 FIM-92 mounted Stinger): ? (32 ordered).
FIM92C Stinger RMP: 108

TACTICAL TRANSPORT AIRCRAFTS

A400M: 0 (10 ordered)
C 130E Hercules: 7 (to be upgraded)
C 130B Hercules: 5 (With ELINT/SIGINT equipment)
C 160T Transall: <16
CN 235-100M: 50 (3 VIP/16 EW)
KC 135R-CRAG Stratotanker: 7

EARLY WARNING AIRCRAFT

B-737-700/MESA THEIK: 0 (4 ordered, 2 optional)

HELICOPTERS

AS532UL Cougar Mk1: 20 (14 SAR+6 CSAR)
UH1H Iroquois: 36 (20 SAR, 4 EH, 12 utility)

red berets je njihova top specijalna jedinica direktno odgovorna vrhovnoj komandi(po nekim oni su uhvatili ocalana u JAR) ovo je napisao pripadnik brdskih comandosa mada sam i ja cuo o njima i raspitivao se kod onih cpecijalaca koji su drzali tu obuku ali malo ko zna oo njima nesto




Well well well...Let me explain our glorius "RED BERETS",first of all they are not educated like others...they are not trained like a human...lots of tortures they have to face to face...They must know at least 2 language,they must use all military materials,tanks,planes,special materials what you imagine that they are in very very professional...
they are trained under the sea,on the mountains,on air...They are sent to most dangerous points that no one dream to go..."RED BERETS" are the unique commandos.There is no equal with Red Berets in these geography,territory,region...They have been educated,trained in Ranger,Delta courses,trained in Isparta,Bolu,Kayseri,Foca SP courses,

A RED BERET can go to war after 200 km walk...(non-stop) the big difference among the Rangers,Delta,British Sas,Red Berets...Ret Berets can walk 4-5 days (nonstop) and make a war.They have also been trained in snipers...Well it s hard to explain what they are,but I can easily say they are not human...In Turkey there s an idiom,If you randomly see a Red Beret in the battlefield,it means you are dead.Well I cannot tell all of their specs actually...Coz it s so hard to explain overall...