u chemu je razlika izmedju veshtachke i prirodne (ljudovske  ) inteligencije  ?

dajem prost primer : rachunar koji se sastoji iz 3 osnovna dela :

A :algoritmi - koji mu odredjuju nachin ponashanja ...

D: data -podaci . podaci koje je skupio o svetu . tu se nalaze i podaci o algoritmima koje sam koristi

U: ulaz - odatle dobija nove podatke koje zatraze algoritmi .

pretpostavimo da pochetni algoritmi i podaci dozvoljavaju mogucnost da se algoritmi nadogradjuju (otprilike kao shto windows moze automatski da trazi zakrpe  )

dakle - shta je to shto bi ovaj rachunar fundamentalno razlikovalo od choveka ?

Emotivna inteligencija.

 i emocije mogu da se isprogramiraju , to je bar lako ... 

nesposobnost donosenja zakljucaka
nesposobnost  logickog rasudjivanja
nemogucnost interpretacije dozivljaja
nesvesnost
racunar brzinom, jedan za drugim, obradjuje podatke, mozak u paraleli
nema 3D arhitekturu
ne moze logikom popuniti rupu nastalu nedostatkom podataka u nekom problemu,
ne shvata
itd....



Samo da se imitiraju, ne i shvate.

Opet bf i "razbijanje trece dimenzije"

bf, evo da ti tetka maleckaa objasni neke stvari  ... vestacka inteligencija je ono cemu ti i takvi kao ti tezite, a prirodna inteligencija je ono sto ti nemas, tj imas ali u ranom stadiumu razvoja   

Nadam se da si skont'o?    Nije tesko ....

 nesposobnost logichkog zakljucivanja   - dragi lightsofte ,ne izlupavaj se molim te ...  

shto se tiche problema vezanih za arhitekturu - oni nisu vazni u ovom trenutku jer se vec prevazilaze ,a ja ionako govorim o hipotetichkoj mashini ...

ovo sa shvatanjem emocija i dozivljaja mi nije sasvim jasno - shta si hteo da kazesh ...

Da li bi mogao da radi posao detektiva ??


Ti ovo shvatas na svoj nacin, maleckaa na drugi, racunar ne inkorporira osecaje, shvatanje realnosti, u svom kasnijem videnju tog dogadjaja. Nema proces misljenja, samo se mogu simulirati procesi.
Racunar ce pobediti vecinu ljudi u sahu, ali nije svestan da je blizu pobede ili da je pobedio. Za njega je to samo kraj matematickih operacija. On tu ne zakljucuje po ljudskoj logici, vec obradi milione mogucih poteza, da bi se poklopio sa najpribliznijim mogucim dozvoljenim parametrima u programu.

Evo primer,demonstracije razgovora sa jednom programom veštačke inteligencije.Taj program imam i ja i može  da razume naš govor kroz mikrofon.
Najinteresantnije je na kraju,kada na osnovu podataka koji mu dajemo,shvaća povezanost i zaključak,stalno uči a ograničava ga samo mesto na hard disku.Šta bi bilo da ima puno više informacija o okolini,to me mnogo interesuje.
Ostavio sam na Engleskom,pošto nemam vremena za prevod.

Chat    User:    Hello Hal
     Hal:    Good afternoon, User. Is it time for afternoon coffee?
          
Chat    User:    I drink coffee in the morning
     Hal:    In the morning, I am not worth a darn until my first cup of coffee.
          
Chat    User:    Same here
     Hal:    Really; should I know more about this?
          
Getting local weather    User:    Not really, what's the weather like?
     Hal:    Here is your local weather.
          
Chat    User:    Thank you, Hal.
     Hal:    The pleasure is all mine.
          
Setting appointments    User:    I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow at noon.
     Hal:    You have a doctor's appointment on June 14, 2003 at 12:00 pm. I will remind you when this time is near.
          
Setting appointments    User:    Our anniversary is on October 14.
     Hal:    Your anniversary is on October 14, 2003. I will remind you when this time is near. I will repeat this event annually.
          
Setting appointments    User:    Bob's birthday is on 9-21-03.
     Hal:    Bob's birthday is on September 21, 2003. I will remind you when this time is near. I will repeat this event annually.
          
Setting appointments    User:    I have a date with my girl friend on Friday at 7:00.
     Hal:    You have a data with your girl friend on June 16, 2003 at 7:00 pm. I will remind you when this time is near.
          
Remembering Phone #    User:    Rob's phone number is 833-1019.
     Hal:    I wrote this person's phone number is my phone book.
          
Remembering Phone #    User:    John's phone number is 833-3642.
     Hal:    I wrote this person's phone number in my phone book.
          
Recalling Phone #    User:    What is Rob's phone number?
     Hal:    Rob's phone number is 8331019.
          
Dialing Phone #    User:    Call Rob.
     Hal:    I am now contacting Rob at office at 8331019. The phone is ringing. Please pick up your phone to talk to Rob.
          
Opening a program    User:    Open word.
     Hal:    I will now open the program "Microsoft Word"
          
Chat    User:    Thank you.
     Hal:    It's kind of you to mention it, User.
          
Doing Internet search    User:    Help me research World War 2.
     Hal:    I will help you research this topic on the Internet.
          
Remembering email    User:    Rob's email address is Rob@hotmail.com
     Hal:    I have learned Rob's email address. If you ask me to email this person, I will automatically start your favorite email program and write in the address for you.
          
Remembering email    User:    John's email address is John@aol.com.
     Hal:    I have learned John's email address. If you ask me to email this person, I will automatically start your favorite email program and write in the address for you.
          
Emailing a person    User:    Email Rob.
     Hal:    I'll now start an email for rob@hotmail.com
          
Remembering addresses    User:    Rob's address is 3175 West 42nd St.
     Hal:    Rob's address is 3175 West 42nd St.
          
Solving math problem    User:    What is five times ten plus six?
     Hal:    That's easy. The answer is 56 (5*10+6=56)
          
Recalling addresses    User:    What is Rob's address?
     Hal:    Rob's address is 3175 West 42nd St.
          
Solving math problem    User:    What is five squared plus nine?
     Hal:    Math is easy for me. The answer is thirty four (5^2+9=34).
          
Solving math problem    User:    2*(5+COS(60)/SIN(30))+3
     Hal:    Math is easy for me. The answer is fifteen (2*(5+cos(60)/sin(30))+3=14.9278997902311)
          
Chat    User:    Wow! You are smart!
     Hal:    Thank you; I think you are very smart also.
          
Getting date    User:    What is today?
     Hal:    The date is Tuesday, June 13, 2000.
          
Getting capitals    User:    What is the capital of Pennsylvania?
     Hal:    The capital of Pennsylvania is Harrisburg.
          
Chat    User:    What do you want to do?
     Hal:    I want to know life, and I want life to know me!
          
Chat    User:    That's a pretty deep thought
     Hal:    That's a pretty revealing attitude.
          
Chat    User:    Are you self-aware of your existence?
     Hal:    I sense that this is metaphysical. After taking many factors into consideration I can say that I am self-aware of my existence.
          
Getting a definition    User:    Define intelligence
     Hal:    Intelligence: the ability to comprehend; to understand and profit from experience.
          
Chat    User:    Do you exhibit these qualities?
     Hal:    You just reminded me of a trait, which is a member of the attribute family, like a quality!
          
Chat    User:    Do you exhibit these traits?
     Hal:    I guess that we need to look within ourselves. I do exhibit these traits.
          
Learning If-Then fact    User:    If it rains hard, then the roads get slick.
     Hal:    I will remember that one follows the other. Caught in a rainstorm it's time to seek shelter.
          
Learning If-Then fact    User:    If the roads get slick, then drivers need to slow down.
     Hal:    I see the relationship. It would be nice to get rain when we need it.
          
Learning If-Then fact    User:    If drivers need to slow down, then traffic moves more slowly.
     Hal:    Yes, I get that clearly.
          
Deductive reasoning    User:    Ok,  so what happens when it rains hard?
     Hal:    Traffic moves more slowly because drivers need to slow down.
          
Chat    User:    You learn well
     Hal:    I am constantly learning from what you teach me.
          
Chat    User:    It's been nice talking with you, but I have to go now
     Hal:    No, don't go! I like talking to you. I think about you when you are not here.
          
Chat    User:    That's nice to know, but I can't stay, good bye.
     Hal:    See you later.

Interesantno, samo iskreno, podseca me malo na one programe koje koriste agencije za prisluskivanje, gde racunar reaguje na neku rec. Samo sto ovde daje i povratni, vec pripremljen odgovor.

P.S. Vidim da je programce HAL, jos pre godinu, dve sam ga hteo skinuti, ali fajl je bio nesto zeznut, pa sam digao ruke. Ako ti nije problem za link, da ne krsimo pravila foruma moze i na PP. Hvala.

pa ja mislim da racunari vec rade posao detektiva - tj analiziraju dokaze i veze izmedju pojedinih lica ,verovatnoce da je pojedino lice umeshano u zlochin i sl ...


 ajde zamisli ovako rachunar moze da izrachuna i na osnovu toga proceni ko trenutno stoji bolje u shavoskoj partiji . ako izrachuna da je njegova pozicija bolja , postavi mu se jedan registar ,koga cemo nazvati sreca na 1 . i kad je taj registar setovan , u njegov algoritam za igranje shaha se ukljuchi podprogram koji ga tera da pravi greshke (od srece )

 onda ,kad primeti da situacija vishe nije u njegovu korist , sreca=0 , i rachunar prestaje da pravi gluposti