pa nikad i nije bilo sta da se prica. kao sto sam x puta napisao- kad inzenjeri, neki od njih renomirani strucnjaci  tvrde jedno, a par anonimusa s nekog foruma- drugo, stvarno ne postoji velika dilema tko je vjerodostojniji i tko raspolaze informacijama

@bf_109_g_6  koji su to ogromni gubici hrvatskih mig-21? koliko ih je izgubljeno? koji je to broj?

sto se tice zeljezare sisak, tamo je, na njemackim masinama napravljeno materijala za prvu seriju od 20 kupola za degman. to nikad nije placeno, a paneli su isporuceni djdj. zbog toga je zeljezara tuzila drzavu, pa su se nagodili prije prodaje iste. i prije prodaje je ta oprema pokupljena i spremljena u djdj uz obrazlozenje da je to imovina min. obrane, a ne zeljezare...

Ne bih da stajem na ničiju stranu ali vodite računa da pričate na osnovu merodavnih podataka a ne iz ubeđenja ili kako se vama sviđa. Zbog takvog ponašanja eto dobijamo epitet s nekog foruma...

Pazite 

otprilike na svakih 5 borbenih letova jedan gubitak 

These failed to hit the LUNAs, instead destroying several military trucks and civilian vehicles instead: in turn one of the MiGs was shot down by Serbian Strela MANPAD and the pilot, Capt. Miroslav Peric, was killed.


One of the new MiGs crashed during a military exercise, on 21 April 1995, killing the pilot, Maj. Zlatko Majerski.

This offensive was sparheaded by several strikes against Serbian command and communication facilities, but also saw the loss of another MiG-21bis, reportedly serialled "119" in HRZ, and flown by Maj. Rudolf Perisin (the same pilot who flew his MiG-21R to Austria, in October 1991). Perisin was shot down by Serbian anti-aircraft artillery in the Bosanska Gradiska area and killed

On 5 or 6 August at least one HRZ MiG-21 was damaged – either by MANPADs or anti-aircraft guns – over this area, but the pilot managed to land safely.


p.s. http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_305.shtml

Daj izvor podataka 

a jes i ovo zaboravih  :

Although having only three MiG-21s available the HRZ was not to hold them in reserve. Already in late May and early June these fighters flew their first combat sorties, striking targets in Serbian-held parts of Croatia, but also inside Bosnia, where the war spread meanwhile as well. The Serbs were well-armed, however, and there were understandable problems with identification of Croatian MiGs by their own ground troops, so the job of Croat pilots was not without dangers: on 24 June 1992 the HRZ MiG-21 “101” by a SA-14 MANPAD, fired by Croatian troops. The pilot, Anton Rados ejected over a Serb-controlled territory and was never found again.

Ne- zaboravio si izvor podataka 

pa pishe ti gore 

Hvala  Taj sajt u načelu nije loš ali je uvek pitanje na osnovu čega pišu.

 

pa to je koliko, 4-5 aviona? s obzirom koliko su smece ti avioni, i kako su koristeni gubici su vise nego podnosljivi (osim pokojnim pilotima i njihovim obiteljima, naravno)

sam' se ti druzi sa tim Ivanovicem i tim mesijom "covekom iz VTI-ja"... 
kao sto rekoh,radite sta ocete,samo mi se skini vise... 

edit-tj-Ivanooovicem(izvinjavam se na strasnoj gresci...  )